BeardownAZ

Amanda, Can you pm me how donations are sent?? Thanks

What part of my post asked for lawlessness?? None. I stated it doesnt make it right for Agencies to break the law any more than the common man. My views merely reflect what our constitution states and was intended to do. Keep the power of the country in the hand of the free people and keep the government(including cops,ATF, etc) and its powers in check. And i guess it makes sense that Janet Napolitano is from your neck of the woods!

This!!

You give a typical reply of a cop. You think as long as a badge is behind it, it is right and lawful. ATF is not the same as a everyday beat cop. To say that is to not really understand how Federal agencies work. Nor does it give them or ANY agency(local, state,federal) the right to break the law to catch crooks. There is something like 1400 guns they(ATF) let go that they cant track. Yet if I did this, I would be in a federal prison spending a decent portion of my life if not all of it. I have a healthy respect for law enforecement but knowing some as family and friends, I also see there "The law applies to everyone but us" attitude. It seems it was the uppers in this sting operation who did wrong not the subordinates. Yes it is still the gun runner who commits the crime but it is the agency who is supposed to stop it not become part of it. I dont say this to be offensive but I think you need to look at things as a free-individual American citizen and less a cop!

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Sold-please remove Century Arms International Polish milled AK-47 model 1960. More sought after due to milled not stamped reciever. Have about 100 rounds through it. Comes with 7 mags, 1500 rounds of ammo( 1000 Wolf soft point, 500 white box Russian), and bayonet. Can break the group up. IM for details if interested in break down of items. $850 for all. Or would do partial trade plus cash for a SKS paratrooper( 16" barrel) model. Will make donation to CW.com once sold. Rifle for $575 with 7 mags and bayonet. I will sell this lot for $200 by itself. Have 500 rounds of this for $90

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Bought new, never used, stuck in closet. Wasnt what I needed after all. Paid $100 for it brand new. Tags taken off but never been worn or even out of house. $60 shipped. SOLD!

Now I know why the ATF was referred to as "Jack Booted Thugs" by the NRA in the 90's, cause they are! Blame us for there screw ups by putting a bogus policy on to 4 border states! This administration has got to go!

No. In the Safford area. Just a big UA fan!

He was relocated, to the county landfill that is! Besides he showed no obvious fear of people even after chased by a car and still came back for more. They did exactly as they should of.

could smell smoke and see smoke off to the west of Safford. Sun was orange this evening too.

With exception of houses, property and the tall pines being burned, I think it will all be for the better despite it being hard to see right now. It seems most areas comeback better than they where before the fire. Just gotta give it a few years to get rain and some grass and shrubs growing again. Animal wise, things will be good again.

Maybe thats why they(environuts) dont want the timber salvaged?? No camping keeps people out of the forest longer, which they love. Theres no way to know yet what will be open and when, even based on things learned from the Rodeo fire. I am sure these 2 are very similar but very different and the monsoons will probably have a big role to play in that. Pictures show alot more green areas and back burn areas than I thought there would be so that seems to be a little promising. But those IR maps seemed to show the area down in 27 to be pretty bad in a few choice spots. Why is it closed to camping to begin with after these fires and why for so long?? Public safety has to be my guess.

Nice slide show! I was picturing nuclear holocaust everywhere not just some parts. Considering how big it is, the fact that there is still alot of green is promising.

Shot my only bull, elk ever for that matter, up there last year. Thats one area I hope hadnt burned to the ground. That sucks!

Escudilla?? man thats a sad sight to see

why cant AZ do this!!!!

I haven't read all the post's (too tired). What I can tell you is that i've been on this fire for 11 days now and I am emotionally taxed. Being born and raised here this is hard to watch. Yes the USFS is, and will be under fire. ( Feel free to sit at your keyboard and fire away) But the bottom line is that there are good people (locals) on the ground doing good work. All I am saying is the USFS is a huge agency and alot of good, well meaning folks get a paycheck from them. Overhead and management could use some work. We're given' er heck boys. As with every large company or agency there is the GOOD, the BAD, and, the UGLY.] Rest assured there are a lot of the good and a few of the ugly on the ground working to save as much of the White Mts as posible. e Anybody directing anger at you guys is wrong, management is a different story though. Good time to do some clearing out while this thing is going, but that seems to be happening with all the back buring going on, right?? Good luck, pictures that have come out so far seem alot more promising than I had figured. You guys must be doing very well!

Its all money driven and motivated. The only thing that makes the government live and die is money. Hit em in the pocket books and they will change policy. Much like the politicians. I'll give the eco-enviro nuts that much(as much as it disgusts me to say it). They know what works to get things done for them. They sue cause they know the powers that be listen when it comes down to legalities. We all see what happens when there voices are listened to. People like us need groups with large pockets to turn the legal battle back in our favor to straighten this out.

Nice little sales pitch they have there, but that thing can lay down some water. I hope it truly earns its paycheck over the coming days. Just watched it right before you posted. Very impressive and I believe they have a few of them actually.

3 miles long- 100 yards wide of fire retardant-one pass??? Wow

Gotta remember, the government is reactive not proactive, the bureacrats in DC are doing this country under, shouldnt come as a suprise they mismanaged the forests.

I hate to ask this for answer I might recieve, but is it complete scorched nuclear type damage or is there still a decent amount of forest left?? I know nothing about fires, just been hearing lots of different rumors.

Things might not be the same, not as scenic, but it will be good again. Alot of great times up there as a kid and adult. And more to come with my kids. It is sad but something we all know could happen and will happen again in different areas. Mother natures way of cleaning out the forest, even if it was probably man made. Just trying to put a positive spin to it.