AZkiller

I won't even go down there myself. Pretty sure Id shoot people, any foreigner carrying a gun into this country in my opinion is a target and declaring war.

Arrowhead grill in Glendale is the best in town for my money on the west side for sure Mastro's on the Eastside. just went to Gordon Ramsay's steak in Las Vegas and hands down the best I've ever had. order a side of the bone marrow demi glaze to go with your wagou rib cap, but plan on a dinner for two to be around 250.

I'm not an archery hunter anymore and I have not hunted archery for about 18 years. I have only killed three rats and a grasshopper with a bow.

and by the way, if for some reason you don't get the lungs, you have another elk wandering around that will die a slow miserable death. And then you'll go out and shoot another one.

yep, killed 4 critters with a bow

so you guys are these fast flat shooting arrows, must be getting perfect scores on all the 3d shoots. I mean if there's no difference really from one pin to the next then you must be shooting in the vitals every time. as it's been said before, shot placement is by far the most important thing, however, if it does not penetrate it does not matter. saying that penetration does not matter is the dumbest thing I have heard ever.

Wow!! Physics is physics whether its an arrow or a bullet or a rock or a bus. You must have gone to one of the good public schools. The heavier the better!

Huh.... You should post this on my bigger gear for bigger game thread in the elk section. I bet that the heavier arrows have a flatter long range trajectory with the reduced drag.

Awesome Congrats on the birds. Tough weekend!

+1

Not alot of birds thismorning in 3c. Did have one tom chase two hens into our camp though. Full strut all the way.

So I thought I would start a post at the request of others for those of you who would like to explain why you use such light gear for elk. I get the speed part, trajectory and all for distance, but if you don't have any weight behind it its a moot point. A 220 swift is one of the flattest shooting, fastest 22 caliber cartridges there is. I wouldn't want to shoot a deer with it let alone an elk. A 375 H&H is one of the slowest. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot anything with it. I agree with those that say the most important thing is placement, if you have penetration as well all the better. I don't' know how you can break a shoulder blade with an expandable scalpel let alone a breast bone or humerus or even a rib. I just hope that the guys with archery tags are exploring all of there shooting options and not just going with the new craze. There is a reason you don't see a lot of guys flickin' sticks at rinos and elephants, they shoot them with heavy massive solid bullets. http://archeryreport.com/2009/11/arrow-kinetic-energy-momentum-archer/ I'm not sayin it can't be done, I'm just sayin it can be done better. I don't want to see a couple dozen, "lost elk" posts. And for the record, I think and bullet under 200gr is too small, again, not sayin it can't be done.

never said archery hunters wound more animals in rifle hunters. though they probably do percentage wise.

I'm not sayin it can't be done, I'm just sayin it can be done better Do you guys read stuff or just get pissed if someone doesn't agree with you? Go back to last year and look at all of the elk in the lost and found box. How can that be fixed? I said placement is the most important thing. What is the answer? I am not an archery hunter because I don't have the time to dedicate to practice needed to be successful. Do you all have any ideas to reduce the number of lost elk?

Not intending to insult anyone. Reading the broad head post with all of these guys shooting 100gr heads brings back memories of last years posts, lost elk, found elk, saw elk with arrow in azz. They are likely fine out to 30 yds broad side. I just have the overwhelming impression that the majority of archers, obviously not the majority of the ones that read this site research and practice diligently, will think they have a flat shooting bow and can kill that elk at 60 or 70, when in reality they get no penetration. As I said shot placement is the most important, I feel equipment is equally important. Your right, I forgot to cover the head shooters. If your good enough you may be able to use an air rifle. Obviously it can work, I just don't feel its optimal. BTW, Muskox are smaller than elk. Not trying to throw anyone under the bus, just trying to explain my thoughts on taking game responsibly. Not all archery hunters are lumped in there, just the ones that throw 350gr arrows at elk at 70yds. As I said placement is the most important If it doesn't penetrate it doesn't matter though. Everyone has to make their line somewhere, mine is 200gr.

You may not regret running over your box once you get your replacement!

Sorry Casey. Your right, i should have started a new post.

not an anti hunter, in a gun hunter. just wondering why you guys use such light arrows for such a big animal. would you rather be shot a 22 pistol or a 500 Smith and Wesson? Why?

If all of these broadheads work so great, why do archery Hunters litter the woods with hundreds of injured elk every year? Just sayin!

Uh...no...its not. Only one way is literally like hitting the lottery.

Yeah, Ammon really is a nice guy that makes great calls. He called me last week to give me some spots in 3c. Thanks to all helping the kids and good luck.

if you give me 20 dollars I'll come pick it up

Woh woh woh, make knives? Where are pics?

No refunds here, just a sticker that says bull unit one muzzelloader your awesome! I added the your awesome its implied