AZkiller

The best advice I could give I think would be to put in for a better hunt next time!

The 51 road is nice and fast to the 300 and kinda in the middle of the unit. Lots of places to camp. Just stay away from the decker wash, lots of yahoos. Drive around the unit this summer with the fam and you will figure it out quick. you don't need 4x anywhere unless its muddy. have fun and good luck

Mid to high 140's and mid to high 150's respectively.

By 80 did you mean 60?

I would have loved to smoke that buck on Glassford. To see the video of him walking around with those 21in horns is pretty incredible.

Nice bulls good luck in 10 with your better half. Are those bulls in 18a on the X-1? I have wanted to put in there for years now just wondering if it would be a waste of points or not. I saw a bull there on my antelope hunt that was over 400. But I only saw that one.

Those are leupold rings and bases.

That's an old action that has been re-finished. Also the stock looks to be a McMillan. It is painted and I would say by the pic it is deffinately Not factory. I think you have more than just a $575 gun. What do you know about it?

I guess, gut at 5.5lb it has to be a vx3and40mm

It says 4.5-14

will do

Sorry. Pics added

The odds of receiving a permit for a second choice hunt instead of a first choice hunt are calculated by subtracting the draw rate for the first choice hunt from the draw rate for the second choice hunt. The odds for receiving your first or second choice would therefore be the same as your highest odds choice. There it is, right out of the book!!!

32 is awesome!

Take your odds of drawing the cow tag and subtract the odds of drawing the bull tag and that is your chance at the cow tag. That's what the G&F says.

San Carlos has those elk because they don't shoot the heck out of them or have nearly the "Oppertunity" that we do. All for it! 6pts or more!

WOW. Kinda sounds like the G and F should start a doe hunt. I mean with all of these crazy buck to doe ratios, we could get those in check, create more opportunity, and revenue. Its a win win win. Nice video Jack. Your getting really good at this, I love the song choice.

Great, another nannie stater. Hope you like Obama.

Just so that you understand what I said correctly, I am not saying that azda fixed the draw, I said that the draw was completely random. The FACT IS, 4 AZDA "BIG WIGS" GOT STRIP TAGS!!! THAT IS A FACT, NOT A CONSPIRICY!!! IT IS ALSO A HUGE COINCIDENCE!

bi How would you go about changing the guidelines to only have 1 junior hunt in the region? I doubt the department would even think about it because they would lose money but it would be worth a try. According to some peoples logic on here people "just want to get out in the woods and have fun and don't really care about killing anything" and " a great experience is just getting out in the woods" and all that bologna So why do we care about where they hunt? Put them in 4AB and let them chase the 2 deer in the unit. They will still have fun according to you guys and they wont be in a trophy unit. I also forgot about the archery hunts in 3C. I have heard but don't know if it's true that when the department wanted to cut back on the tag numbers certain groups such as the Arizona deer association and others that make money off of hunters hunting there threw a fit so the department changed it back to make them happy. What's up with that? I thought this was about management and not money? I heard this straight from a game wardens mouth during my 3C rifle hunt. Don't forget that 4 of these azda big wigs got drawn for the strip this year also. It is a completely random draw. That's fact.

You are right. I don't know why they bother paying WM's. What we ought to do is just have you and your buddies get together at the Red Onion eat some monster burgers and just tell the rest of us ignorant city slickers how many tags there should be. Then everything would be fixed, 400" bulls would abound, everyone could draw a tag, your arteries would be clogged, the elk would be saved from extinction, and there would be peace in the middle east. Problem solved. Packer - You better start looking for a new gig. Your on to something.....Except for the middle east, I would turn it to glass. Other than that, yeah. We finally agree.

What about changing the hunts from 7 days to 3 or 4? Start the season on a monday thru thursday, then have a friday thru sunday hunt? That way the people that want the OPPERTUNITY, can have it on the weekend. The rest of us that don't like people can hunt before them without the crowds.

Congrats how many points?

Thank you for the info. Does the G&F take into account the advances of technology in thge hunter success rate with better glass, guns and rangefinders. I feel that the entire hunting public has gotten ALOT more effecient at their hobby. Take for example muzzle loaders. Was it the intent to have them shooting 3 - 400 yds, or was the intention for the traditionalist hunter. The archery hunters are now constently killing at over 100yds. The bull to cow ratios could be acheived by not killing so many cows, no? 27 is one of the last units to get away from people, what about the rest of the units?

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