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I can't be there but you might give Marvin a call.

Jeremy, Sorry we didn't get back to you sooner. We talked about your buck at the last meeting. The rule is that any animal that the original score would put in the top 3 must be panel scored to be entered in the book. It seems kinda weird but it is the same way P&Y works. Marvin can explain why better than I can since he's been through it with his world record antelope. We have a couple weeks to get it done but the problem is getting everybody together (including you) we could probably get it done if we could arrange to meet somewhere in the middle but it will probably have to be in Phx. so we can get enough committee members there. The fact that you shot a great buck is good and bad I guess. We have a couple other heads to do for the same reason so we'd like to get them done at once. There are several really good trophies to enter in this next ed. for sure. I don't want to have to drive to Phx. to score your buck anymore than you probably do to get it done but that may be the only way. If you have questions call me or Marvin. Our numbers are on the bowhuntinginarizona.com site. Thanks, Chris Dunn

The Bowhunting in Arizona Record Book is published every 8 years and 2008 is time for the fifth edition. The committee has been hard at work recording all the new entries, reviewing piles of applications, writing new articles, and compiling the hunting data stats. that make our book so valuable. We are very close to publishing but are trying to let as many people as possible get their entries in to this edition even though our official recoding period ended last summer. Our planned cutoff date was last Sunday April 20 but several hunters contacted us still trying to get some entries to us so we decided to put off the deadline to May 31. This will push back the publication date to Fall 2008 but since there won't be another book until 2016 we figured it would be nice to be sure we were as current as possible with this one. If you are not familiar with the BIA book you should check one out. We have categories for all the traditional big game species plus javelina and turkey (Merriams and Goulds). We also have the Cochise and Kaibab Awards that are for hunters who take several different species with a bow including fox, bobcat, and coyote. There is much more information than just the records. There are stories about the state record animals, interesting articles about the history of bowhunting, how to information, and pages and pages of tables of harvest data that are very interesting and useful to improve your chances of taking a trophy class animal. And more... Arizona is the best state for hunting many of the N. American big game and our great record book reflects that. We should all be proud to be Arizona bowhunters and entering your successes in this fine book is a great way to record the history of hunting in this state and to see your personal trophies recorded for posterity. This next edition will contain approximately 3000 entries from about 1400 hunters including some of the biggest names in bowhunting like Chuck Adams and Ben Pearson. This edition will also list several new State Records (some of which are also world records.) If you have any trophies to enter in the best state record book in the country contact us a.s.a.p. The entry must have been taken in Arizona under Fair Chase with a legal bow and arrow. The entry fee is only $10 per animal and you must have the trophy scored by an official BIA, P&Y, or B&C measurer and submit it with the BIA forms and proper photos. You can go to bowhuntinginarizona.com for more information and contacts (except my email address on the website is outdated. It is bigsky@commspeed.net) We plan to have a publication date set soon and will send out pre-buy letters so you can reserve a copy. I believe we will have only 2000 printed so they are just about guaranteed to sell out. If you want to purchase a 4th edition (Y2K) we have just a few regular eds. available but do have more numbered collectors copies. Each ed. has much more information than just the individual entries so they are truly a collectors item. Thanks Chris Dunn

I agree that the mass makes it look like a Rez bull but the third point drop tine and the kickers on the 4th and 5th look a lot like the genetics of a certain bull we videoed back in 99 or so.

:blink: SWEET! With the big heavy ones like that the match is usually close by. Get on it! I recognize those genetics. I bet GRONG does too.

This ticks me off not because of hunting over salt (which I have done) but because it shows how they discriminate against us. So will rifle hunters not be able to hunt over bait? How many places are there where you can shoot a rifle and not be near salt? First. AZGFD does not give a dang about actually being able to enforce a law. By making it against the law and putting up a stiff penalty they intimidate you with fear of the penalty. They also frequently write tickets that are unfounded or at least would not stand up in court but figure most people will pay the fine rather than hire a lawyer. This just gives them another tool to harrass hunters with. I was told to my face by a high level officer that they do this and they "know" 80% of the hunters are breaking the law anyway so they just need to come up with new ways to get us. Second. Why should archery hunters be discriminated against with regard to harvest success? AZGFD knows they have been getting a free ride for a long time with thousands of bowhunters buying archery deer tags but hardly killing any deer. Now that we are being successful (even though the rate is about 1/4th or less of the rifle success) they want to knock us back down to zero. They can always claim they are protecting the resource but that is total BS. It is about getting as much money as possible by reducing success. At least they are doing that to the rifle hunters too. But why should we be held to an even lower success rate. If they want to help the deer population they could do it in a number of ways, like predator control for example. Oh but they don't have enough money...blah balh blah. They know we will still apply for hunts and buy tags because we are a captive audience. A class action lawsuit is exactly what we need because this is BS.

Am I surprised NO. This just goes to show that everything averages out in this universe. We are just canceling eachother out on good luck vs. bad luck. It's cool you got the stuff back but that kid needs a beating.

Josh, When I do I'll be using it to mount my big sheds. $150 ain't bad for a cape that is already tanned but make me an offer if you want.

I'd sure like to see you entering these bucks in the Bowhunting in AZ record book. Don't be shy?

Thank you for changing your avatar. Mr. T piddy the ugly foo!

I just heard from a friend in Carefree that they were watching some piggies in thier back yard when mamma pig laid down and started popping out piglets.

I hope nobody is feeling sorry for him just 'cause we all thought it was so much bigger. That's a killer deer.

I think I have one in my freezer that has been tanned and ready for mounting. It was off an 85" buck. My taxidermist told me he charges $150 just for the tanning on a deer cape. I'll take $150 for it. I just need to go dig it up. I have about 10 capes I've been saving in that freezer.

:blink: I find that score hard to believe but I know you know what's up. I still want to see it in person. I totally underestimated my buck and you were the opposite. I guess we need to hunt together and come up with an average. I hate guessing from pictures and your pictures sure looked good but I would have been way fooled too with those long G2s. It doesn't matter though that is still one sweet buck. 100" ain't nothing to sneeze at. The score doesn't have jack to do with the coolness of the hunt either. Congrats on ANOTHER great buck. Still waiting for Andy to whack one. He is usually done for the year by now.