Brian Payne

Good stuff Dan! Amazing mass on some of those Carlos Bulls.

You're a magnet for those things.

I have a little different feeling on this. I like to FIND and kill my own bucks. The whole process of paper scouting for new areas, then actually going into the area, and finally finding and photographing a shooter buck is as much fun if not more fun for me than actually killing the big buck which is all you do if someone else takes you to a buck that they have scouted. I have had friends point me to an area where I have found a good buck which I was very appreciative about but I have never killed a buck that someone else scouted for me. I would rather not know where my friends/hunting partners find good bucks. My friends/hunting partners feel the same way. So to answer your question from my perspective, I would tell my friends to "find their own buck" and they would probably say "I didn't want your buck anyway." Nice buck by the way!

Nice bucks! San Carlos I am presuming?

That is about what I was thinking. Nice eye guards. Decent frame. Nice G2s and 3s. Not really heavy. Still probably a younger deer.

I bet that was one stinky dude!

Welcome Ron. It all starts somewhere. Be careful though, these little deer can be very addicting!

sweeeeet!!!

Good looking bulls. Nice job Adams.

He's got it all!

Maybe they didn't get his head screwed back on right after all those concussions

Bob, I understand the point you are making and I appreciate it. There is definately such a thing as "unhealthy" trophy hunting addiction just like there are unhealthy addictions to gambling or alchohol. When you get to the point that you do anything at any cost to get it, that is an unhealthy addiction. Many people do gamble and drink responsibly though. So the moral of the story is, TROPHY HUNT RESPONSIBLY! P.S. Nice forked horn! I personally liked the big muley better but that is just me

Dustin, I have always enjoyed your posts and spirit for hunting and I don't doubt for a minute that you have a lot of great hunting skills and determination. I know some of the areas that you hike in to and they are not for your average Joe Hunter. It sucks that you have gotten grief about your buck and it all just stems from jealousy. I do have to say this though; whether you believe in luck or not, the ODDS of doing what you did are not very good. Each unit only holds a handfull of bucks like the one you killed. Most coues units contain hundreds of square miles of coues country so the ODDS of finding a buck like that are not very good until you have scouted numerous areas for numerous hours/days. That is what the accomplished hunters have done, gotten the ODDS in their favor by covering enough country and spending enough time behind their binos that they eventually find a monster buck. Then they go back and figure out where he travels. Then they go find another one in case someone else knows about that one. Please don't take this post the wrong way. I congratulate you on your awesome buck and hope you do it again. Just understand that there are many very skilled hunters on this site that have not been fortunate enough to kill a buck like yours yet simply because the ODDS of doing it aren't that good.

It all boils down to this; Not everyone's reason for hunting is the same. Just because two guys go to a car dealership doesn't mean they want the same car. One guy may be looking for a fast sporty ride so that he can pick up girls while the next guy is looking for a minivan to haul is wife and four kids around. It is silly for the sportscar guy to make fun of the minivan guy for buying a slow ugly car just like it is silly for the minivan guy to make fun of the sportscar guy for buying something without any room or ammenities. As long as they both get what they want out of their car then all is well. Us hunters like to think our reason for hunting is the only good reason and everyone else is screwed up. The truth is that some people hunt solely to put meat in the freezer, others want a trophy on the wall as well, others want the challange of getting their name in the record book, others just want to spend time with friends and family, others just want to drink beer and get away from their spouses or work, and the truth is that they are all great reasons to hunt and as long as you get what you want out of it that then the hunt is a success! I personally like to hunt big bucks and the gross score of the buck is how I measure that. I love the meat but I also love the site of a big rack on my wall and the extra work that goes into making that happen. That is my reason but to each his own. I do agree that the cheating and fighting over public land areas and bucks that goes on is a disgrace to the sport and to the hunters that participate in it as well as the animals that they kill. Some people will take every advantage they can get away with even if it is illegal to kill big bucks and in my opinion if you have to cheat to make it happen then you have not accomplished anything. One last point. Bob, if you are so against trophy hunting why do you have a BIG muley buck as your avatar? Why don't you put a forked horn picture in there to prove your point?

Maybe he was talking about just his right antler Sure looks bigger to me.

QUOTE (arizonaelitefreak @ Sep 21 2009, 10:30 PM) QUOTE (Brian Payne @ Sep 21 2009, 09:46 PM) Everything that everyone has said is good and true but not a lot of people have been able to kill truly MONSTER BUCKS on a consistant basis, at least north of the border. The people that have done it on a consistant basis have put more into it than we can imagine and probably more than most of us would be willing to give. +1 but if i could afford it I would love to be able to give this kind of time and dedication into finding monster bucks on a consistant basis! Boy, you guys are worrying me, allmost sounds like your saying that only Rich, Full time Hunters can get on the Bigguns? I thought this thread was about " How To" factors, Not the reasons "I can't" excuses, come on fellas. What one man can do, another CAN do. Think you can, think you can't, you'r right!! What were the tactics implemented to slay your big ol' avatar Brian? Can it not be done again? Don't forfeit the game, it has not yet started. Dustin, In no way was I trying to be a naysayer or ruin peoples hopes. After all, hunting on public land gives everyone a chance at a truly MONSTER buck. This is what we all dream about and why we get so excited about hunting every year. The more things we do right the better are odds are and that is really the idea behind this topic. Let me start by saying peoples definitions of MONSTER bucks vary. I guess my idea of a MONSTER buck is the same as B&Cs idea, a buck that nets over 110". The buck in my avatar grosses 101" so by my standards he is not a MONSTER. He is a BIG buck, and a TROPHY to me that I was happy to kill and am happy to look at on my wall but not a MONSTER. Some people may set their standards lower or higher. My point was this; There are many people that have been able to kill MONSTER bucks and maybe even several of them in their lifetime but only a few that have done it on a consistant basis, year after year, tag after tag. Jim Reynolds has practically rewritten the record books for coues deer. There was a time in Arizona when you could draw a tag and still get a left over tag as well. In 1984 and 1985 Jim killed 4 B&C bucks. If you ask Jim what it took to do this it is much more than most of us on this site are willing to give. He had multiple bucks of that caliber patterned and if one didn't pan out he would go after another one. I spend about 30 days a year in the field including hunting days. That is all I can do to balance family, work, church and hunting in a way that I think is acceptible for me. Again, this balance varies for different people. I feel like with my skills and time I can kill 90-100" bucks on a fairly consistant basis with an occassional chance at something bigger. That is OK with me. I didn't mean to swing this off course from the tactical aspect that it was probably intended for, but it is important that we realize some of the sacrifices that some of the most accomplished hunters make.

If I remember correctly that waiter took it to the Sundevils pretty good last year!

Everything that everyone has said is good and true but not a lot of people have been able to kill truly MONSTER BUCKS on a consistant basis, at least north of the border. The people that have done it on a consistant basis have put more into it than we can imagine and probably more than most of us would be willing to give.

116 How are we supposed to score that freak!

Now that is what we call "Elk Bowling!" No seriously, I'm glad the dude was OK.

Nice job Hubbards. Fine looking bull.

Short and sweet but sent none the less. To whom it may concern, I fully support the use of lethal force to manage predation on sensative, threatened, or endangered species such as the Desert Bighorn Sheep on the Kofa Mountain Range. Thank you, Brian Payne Sahuarita, AZ

Nice buck Charlie! Got a score for that dude?

What an absolute toad! Do you have a net score? I know nets are for fish but when you are talking WRs unfortunately it comes into play. Looks like he probably wouldn't net over 130 but who cares, he is awesome!

Thanks Dustin.