ultramag

hey now you can use it for a HAM hunt.

OK I'll say this again. 95% one more time 95% don't have any business shooting at game at those distances but they still do it. I am an archer and have been for the last 20 years. I know that even under the best circumstance you could have a bad outcome to a shot. why would you want to chance it. same thing goes for a rifle. archers can make 100 yard shots, but can they do it everytime? If not they shouldn't be doing it. I practice a lot I know my 100% yardage and I will not push that. I also know my 80% yardage and so on. With that being said if your 100% yardage is 100 yards then you could probably still be good at 120 yards? is this the mentality? and if you are 80% at 120 yards would you go any further? I hope for the animals we hunt that your skill can back up talk. I have met so called 100 yard bowshooters and have seen them shoot. they can manage to hit only a percentage of the time. not all the time. If you are the 5% percent of the archers that can hit pop can at 100 yards good for you. you are in the small percetage that can.

Both posts look like your trying to bait someone into a fight. I'm not interested in arguing I will just give you my opinion. Speed, gravity etc... is only a small part of the equation and is easier controlled/compensated for than buck fever or a buck jumping the string. I'm not interested in getting into a debate about ethics as everyone is different and I feel that I have as much or more respect for the animals I hunt than others, but one thing I find interesting is that a lion doesn't sit there and think, "lets see if I drop off this ledge on that buck, I might not be able to effectively kill it because of that little kicker antler that is going to hinder me catching it by the throat, I guess I will have to pass until that little fawn comes along." IMO a real test of ethics is not how far the shot is, because I can and have missed at under 30 yards, but ethics to me comes into play after you have made a poor shot. What do you do? Look for 5 min and then move on, do you spend time on hands and knees, do you wait a day then come back? What is it that you do? Have you ever seen a deer killed by a lion, or coyotes, a bunch less ethical than a poor shot IMO For me I shoot regularly at 80+ yards Longest kill mule deer 81 yards closest is bull elk at 7 yards not trying to start a fight. It just seems the realism for archery equipment is extended to the outer limits. then you have the animal factor. What do you think if the animal takes a step. what would the outcome be on a deer or elk at 30 yards compaired to 80 100 yards, well at 30 yards you could still possibly be in vitals but at 100 yards you hit the butt. I doubt that most guys that take these type shots have no idea what they are doing. they just fling the arrow and hope for the best. this is very real and completely unacceptable. some get lucky and that is all it is. Still laughing at your comment on the coyote and lion comment. can the lion and coyote shoot bows do they have to buy a tag, put in for the draw, no. can they reason. a real test of ethics IMO is do you take the chance of wounding the animal? sure you do everytime you hunt. sh!t happens but when someone asks for it by taking a shot that is questionable. a 100 yard shoot is questionable by about 95% of the archers out there even if they claim that they can do it. you are hoping for lots of luck becuase thats what it is luck. Why is it all luck? because you havent done it? There is a huge element of luck in hunting in general but shooting really doesnt have to be one of those things. it seems someone calls this luck because he hasnt done it so it must not have anything to do with skill. there is always someone who has done it all and seen it all, anything they havent done must not be real. And I will not do it. I have shoot at those distances to know better. My point is that a small percentage of archers go though the required practice to do this. others read message boards and see other people talk about this then they think they can do this as well. I know that I could kill an animal at 80 yards, I could also wound one as well. but at 50 yards the margin for error is much less. where does the skill end and luck begin?

Both posts look like your trying to bait someone into a fight. I'm not interested in arguing I will just give you my opinion. Speed, gravity etc... is only a small part of the equation and is easier controlled/compensated for than buck fever or a buck jumping the string. I'm not interested in getting into a debate about ethics as everyone is different and I feel that I have as much or more respect for the animals I hunt than others, but one thing I find interesting is that a lion doesn't sit there and think, "lets see if I drop off this ledge on that buck, I might not be able to effectively kill it because of that little kicker antler that is going to hinder me catching it by the throat, I guess I will have to pass until that little fawn comes along." IMO a real test of ethics is not how far the shot is, because I can and have missed at under 30 yards, but ethics to me comes into play after you have made a poor shot. What do you do? Look for 5 min and then move on, do you spend time on hands and knees, do you wait a day then come back? What is it that you do? Have you ever seen a deer killed by a lion, or coyotes, a bunch less ethical than a poor shot IMO For me I shoot regularly at 80+ yards Longest kill mule deer 81 yards closest is bull elk at 7 yards not trying to start a fight. It just seems the realism for archery equipment is extended to the outer limits. then you have the animal factor. What do you think if the animal takes a step. what would the outcome be on a deer or elk at 30 yards compaired to 80 100 yards, well at 30 yards you could still possibly be in vitals but at 100 yards you hit the butt. I doubt that most guys that take these type shots have no idea what they are doing. they just fling the arrow and hope for the best. this is very real and completely unacceptable. some get lucky and that is all it is. Still laughing at your comment on the coyote and lion comment. can the lion and coyote shoot bows do they have to buy a tag, put in for the draw, no. can they reason. a real test of ethics IMO is do you take the chance of wounding the animal? sure you do everytime you hunt. sh!t happens but when someone asks for it by taking a shot that is questionable. a 100 yard shoot is questionable by about 95% of the archers out there even if they claim that they can do it. you are hoping for lots of luck becuase thats what it is luck.

I think the questions to ask is how many arrows do you "FLING" at animals before you hit one?

looks like we will have 1 more year for a rut hunt than most of the tags will go to nov. If the 3 year deal is true. This is a SAD story that will come true. I can see this now 50 permits for sept 1000 for nov.

looks like we have some super heros here. Lots of guys I have witness can't even hit a paper plate at 60 yards "everytime" with controlled conditions. let alone take a 100 yard shoot at an animal that can take an unexpected step. I guess the affect of speed and distance and gravity don't apply to all arrows.

good job on the your bulls. got to agree 100% I will never apply for these hunts.

I have a leupold vxl 4.5x14 that I would like to add turrets. I found a link to kenton industries looks like they have some nice turrets but I don't know anything about how these would mount on my existing scope or even if they would at all. any ideas?

this is from a guy that couldn't hit water if you fell out of a boat.

Better than tourettes. My rifle sometimes has this syndrone as I am about to jerk the trigger. crazy cooz has the same problem..............lol he is his own tourettes.

I liked the bowtech not a bad bow at all. I didn't like the cable thing it looked awkward. I shot several bows before I picked the alphamax. the alphamax just "felt" good to me. I am sure your wife said that about you when you guys first met... yea she says a lot of things............

+1 me to

what makes the luepold turrets better?

thats good to know. I didn't ask that question. thanks

well I have shot 3 coues bucks with 3 shots. you on the other hand it takes you at least 3 shots to eat tag soup.

I ordered the turret from kention industries the guy I talked to was very helpful. the turret that I am getting has the yardage on it and is caliber specific. they make several different ones the one I ordered goes out to like 800yards in 25 yard incraments with a 200 yard zero. most of the factory ammo for the .270 wsm has almost exact ballistics for the poly tipped bullets. so I should find somethig that shoots close to the setting. I will have to test this when I get it.

I liked the bowtech not a bad bow at all. I didn't like the cable thing it looked awkward. I shot several bows before I picked the alphamax. the alphamax just "felt" good to me.

I have had good luck with mechanical broadheads. I have used the rocket steelheads with good results. however I have slicktricks now.

I live by talcum bottle when I hunt, especially with a bow. But a good puff of fine dirt works also I use that stuff when I am bowhunting I feel naked without it. dirt works good if its powder.

I have heard around 1600. I just picked up the alphamax just when I thought they couldn't make a better bow they come out with this.

my advise is to put in for a better unit next time.

ya I know. I like a nice campfire cold beer and good elk steaks can we agree on something.

I just bought some slick tricks over the weekend. I shot them into my block target several times even went thru the block into my garbage can, the blades were still intact. they shot real good at 20 yards just like my field points I need to shoot them more out farther distance but they seemed good and they are cheeper than the some like 25.00 for 3. I have tried muzzy, thunderheads and a few others just never could get them to fly consistant even with a big headache of tweaking the tune on the bow. I have some friends that shot the shuttle T, they have had good results with them I will try those before long.

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