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I have befinatly noticed a big differance shooting from lead sled VS shoulder. I only use my lead sled during load development. Once I have chosen a load the zeroing is done from the shoulder. Speedy. Interesting info. I shoot of a sled when zeroing and then make small adjustments when shooting of my pack or tripod as I would in the field. But isn't the difference from sled to free hand just my poor habits effecting the shot? Always wondered that. Sorry should have elaborated on the from shoulder. (by all means not free hand from shoulder.) I still use sandbags on a bench when zeroing from the shoulder. I can shoot just as good of groups but it seams they always group lower when shot from the shoulder. The only thing I can think is the lead sled is creating a pivot point at the lower portion of the butt on the rifle. (recoiling up) When shot fron the shoulder my body moves back obsorbing the recoil. Just an observation I have made with multiple rifles. Speedy. Understood, that makes sense. Thanks

Can this be real? Seem like some many factors can play into this that it'd be hard to prove. Having said that my sons 223 savage seems to shoot a little better with slow/cheaper ammo, the Hornaday Superperformance seesm to fly a little bit. If guns do like certain ammo, and any one has a Weatherby Vanguard 270, Savage Axis/edge 223 or a Savage 110 Accutrigger in 30-06 and has found an ammo the seem to have the most success for hunting loads I'd be interested in what they are.

I have befinatly noticed a big differance shooting from lead sled VS shoulder. I only use my lead sled during load development. Once I have chosen a load the zeroing is done from the shoulder. Speedy. Interesting info. I shoot of a sled when zeroing and then make small adjustments when shooting of my pack or tripod as I would in the field. But isn't the difference from sled to free hand just my poor habits effecting the shot? Always wondered that.

Chirs thanks for the detailed response and while you list many worthy ideas that will benefit from the money raised, the problem is that they are just that, ideas or very general programs. I think most sportsman would be more likely to agree with this bill if there was one specific program that was going to beneift from the sale of this tags that we could quantify and track and determine if it's worthy to continue supporting. Otherwise it just seems like more of our money/assets being sent to a bureaucratic entity. I would also be more willing to get behind a few tags, like just the Govenor tags, but not all the other categories.

anyone shot this ammo? Any thoughts on it's use in 223 for coues

can you explain more about why frangible might result on a poor kill. I didn't know anything about this type of bullet before, but it appears like it would provide more energy transfer and more often a quicker kill, but I am not very knowledgable with bullets so if you can explain more that'd be great.

Here is the contact for a buddy of mine that breeds and a pic of one new pup. Matt Keller Keller's French Brittany's 602-818-6600 tell him Chad sent you

PM me and I'll send you the number to a good buddy the breed French Brittany Pointers. I own one and it's the best dog I've ever owned. I've owned GSP and labs, both excellent dogs. These Frech brits are devils in the field and angels in the home. Didn't know if I'd like a smaller dog but I'll never go back. I've spoken to at least 10 of other owners and they all same the same thing. They are great house dogs, loving and no digging or chewing issues. My GSP is 11 and he still never lies down, my Brit is very calm, but get him in the field and it is ready to hunt, works hard never quits, excellent swimmer. The best is that he naturally hunts close, great check back and always in gun range. retrieves to hand soft mouth, still working on steady to shot, but he's just over a year. I simply love this breed, will buy again when my old GSP goes down for good. My one knock on the French is that they are a bit, well, "french" in the cacti. He as got much better when he gets in the thorns, it's funny now he doesn't cry he just keeps huntin on three legs until I get up to him to pull out a thorn. When he was young i was worried he was a puss, but he has become much tougher. That said, nothing like my GSP, that dog will eat a Cholla to get a bird. Anyway my buddy has litters right now, he is up near Prescott and he's no show dog guy, all hunters with good French lines. French are the original Brittany that americans bred with English Pointers so they'd range out farther, dont' need that now unless you hunt on horse back. You wont be sorry

Was down on a hunt this past weekend with some good friends and we got into a debate about a clean barrel vs one shot or more for accuracy. They swore that if I you had a freshly cleaned barrel that the first round fired on a cold barrel would fly funny. Me and another guy disagreed and said they must be using to much oil. Any thoughts on this? They said the powder used now was so clean you didn't need to clean your barrel that often. Wierd to me, I clean my guns after every use.

Wow. From these post, I think I was wrong and my buddies had it right. I need to pay more attention at the range next time. Thanks for all the reply

I have a cow hide in the freeze from Oct. it's in good shape, folded hide to hide, nver got wet or warm, forzen in 24 hrs. I didn't do a great cape, it was on a really steep hill and getting dark, so the area around the neck isn't great. If you're in phx I can get it to you

Wondering if I'm the only one that's frustrated with getting youth under 14 qualified to hunt? I have 3 sons and they have hunted with me independently since they were old enough to go, mostly just tagging along at first then hunting rabbits, dove and quail. I take them on deer or pig hunts to just follow along and learn as well. My boys are very active with sports such as swimming and football, and I could never get enough free weeks to get my now 14 year old into the hunter safety course, so he took and passed the online course but everytime we tried to get him in a field day it was full or it was across the state in yuma,tucson etc. He finally just had to wait until he was 14 to hunt. Now with my 12 year old its the same thing, he has taken and passed the online test twice, but the first one expired before he could get into a field day course and test. He has taken it again, but with his hunt fast approaching we can't get into a field day. Anyway, maybe it's just me but it seems if AG&F makes this a requirement in order for youth to hunt, they need to have classes open so that all youth hunters can make a class. Adults can still hunt without the course but youth can't, and I have checked AG&F for years trying to get the boys in classes and they are just always full. At this point his choice is to mis the State Championship game for football to drive to Mammoth for a test day, or mis his first coues tag on the 24th of Nov. Frustrating for a kid that is a good safe hunter and knows the course material very well.

OK, I hear you all. I appreciate the vols too. This is not a disrespect issue. The point I can't seem to make is only if the Government is going to make me do something, that I think I'm qualified to do (teach my son to be safe and repsectful) I'd appeciate a few more opportunites. Redman, funny stuff I wish he was that good to play for Hamilton. I meant that i also struggled getting my son who is now 14 into a class when he was 12 and 13. My current 12 year old is playing for the Pop Warner youth Football State Championship this Sat. he is 12 playing in Pee Wee level, but he can't leave his team. Come watch him win at desert Ridge at noon, we need all the support we can get. I take some blame in this also, my kids are really active (3 boys) in competitive swimming and football, so at some point they have to make the choice to miss a game or a meet to do the class. I guess I just wanted to piss and moan a bit, I appeciate you'all keeping me honest

I think it's great the people have flown and make long driver to meet the class, but that kinda supports my point, that'd be like haivng to drive from phx to tucson to take my sons drivers license exam. And while I might be just making the post this week, he as taken and passed the test twice in the past year, the first expired while trying to get a phx class and he has a month left on this passed exam trying to get a class. In fairness we have passed on two open classes in some areas outside of phx, but he had football games an I kept thinking a class would open in phx. I'm not free of blame on this situation, I'll own that, my real point is that the options are limited. I'm on my second son trying to get it done. I was actually hoping they'd lose his football game yesterday, and we could go to Mammoth next week, but they won and play for the State Chamionship next week. Hunt is over T-Day. I think that's whey the Dec. 4 is still open, most of the youth hunts are done by that date. If any volunteers are on the site, I'll pay you for your half day work if that's even possible to run a class on Sunday the 20th.

yes she needs to either take the full class, or the online test and then one field day. or she can take nothing and just learn from you. it is only mandatory for ages 10 to 14, or under 14. If you take it after that age, you get one permanant bonus boint which is cool.

Can anyone send me a link that shows step by step process to tan a hide, hair on? My son wants to try to keep his cow elk hide, we don't really care if we mess it up and have to pitch it, but we thought it might be fun to learn a new skill. It's currently in the freezer. Thanks

Thanks for all the detail, impressive. Except for the fickle girl thing, I'm not sure I understood most of the terms, but it gives me something to learn. This question came up because my 12 yr old has a coues hunt in two weeks and wants to shoot his little 223 savage. I know that's questionable, but i won't let him shoot past 250 or 300, I have a tag too and will carry my 270. Anyway, he has been shooting PMC cheap ammo and the groups were great, but I wanted him to shoot Hornaday SP in 53grm for the velocity and less drop, but his groups were kinda crazy. Someone said the ammo can be to fast for some rifles. Any thoughts??

OK, I have a follow up. Do you do most of your shooting at Ben Avery? Because, while that seems logical, it takes so long to get anything done there having to wait to go down range. And, the last two visits I was was sure the guy who brought is hot little girlfriend (thanks by the way) was going to get me killed while she waved around whatever he thought to bring to the range. So, is there another spot to go, or anyone care to share there secret deset spot? I live on the north end of town. I have a led sled and lead bag to have a steady rest. My buddy and I have just got into loading our own, but we are rookies for sure.

http://www.fntpost.com/Products/Tanning+Kits+Supplies/Rittel's+EZ-100+Tanning+Kit A deer hide is a doable at home project becouse a deers hide is pretty thin.A elk hide is far too heavy to "flesh".You have too scrape the non hair side almost down to the hair folicle. I went to the site and it showed some other full kits that even had tools like scrappers. It listed elk, but I have no experience in this and you think it's a waste to try let me know, don't want to waste the $$ on weekend. Thanks for your help.

http://www.fntpost.com/Products/Tanning+Kits+Supplies/Rittel's+EZ-100+Tanning+Kit A deer hide is a doable at home project becouse a deers hide is pretty thin.A elk hide is far too heavy to "flesh".You have too scrape the non hair side almost down to the hair folicle. Thanks

oh man, please share, PM me. I had a great spot last year and the birds are thin there now and when I do seen them they are jumping so far out and then hitting the gas. no good cover to hold them. I have a new one year old pup I need to work and he's starting to give me funny looks like, "like really, yougo find the birds"

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This is a great target that has about 10 broadhead holes and 20 field points. Kept inside in very good shape. $100 new, I'm seling for only $50. I'm in phoenix. North side of twon but work more central

I don't see your email. I looked agian just now and in my junk mail but don't see it. Please ty again or pm me on this one. Thanks, chad

still have them? cklein1@cox.net