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Good point 520Hunt... I too try to self manage the herds I hunt. And congrats on the pig slaying.

I voted for you

Awesome, and that's a big shed on the left!

Meanwhile at Packard stadium... well we won't go there...

At the pace they are on... they might not make the NIT...

Not sure who came up with the $125 vs $16 price difference... you need to ask them to exain that. But as far as a bargain goes, I agree that AZ fees are far too low to cover killing off an endangered species, and and an entire herd of Bighorn. Just think of what the legal fees are for defending the department for all the vilolations in the killing of Macho B. And I believe the legal fees are still ongoing as the case against the department by the feds is not closed yet. But more important is what the cost will be to repair Hunters and the departments image in the eyes of the non-hunters after these debacles. These will be the people who will vote in the future to restrict hunting in this state. In my opinion it is pricless. The damage has been done and the writing is on the wall. And to top it off the department has now managed to piss off half of the hunters in the state. This is going to be a huge problem for us and the department doesn't seem to care.

Cool, anything x 0 is zero...Zero like the number of sheep we will have in the Catalinas thanks to AZGFD And Zero like the number of Jaguars roaming unit 36B & C No, 0 as in the number of valid points you have raised. First, you complained about tag fees and app fees...that didn't work so now we complain about sheep and jaguars. Having a discussion on this forum is comparable to HERDING CATS. Stay on issue. Want to talk about jaguar and sheep in the Catalinas? Lets talk in a different thread...this one is about fees and the AZGFD I never complained about the increase in tag or application fees, go back and look. I only complained how the department wastes the fees they collect. As far as I'm concerned, they should double the fees again next year. That will price many hunters out and maybe I can draw a elk tag more than once every 10 years and get my first Antelope tag after putting in for 16 years.

Cool, anything x 0 is zero... Zero like the number of sheep we will have in the Catalinas thanks to AZGFD And Zero like the number of Jaguars roaming unit 36B & C

That's not satire...check my math. We as taxpayers are getting a bargain. AZGFD at its finest...

While we are on the math stuff... Fy2011 AZGFD budget $106,663,100.00 That breaks down to $ 8,888,591.67 per Bighorn Sheep that has been killed in the Catalinas thanks to AZGFD Or It breaks down to $106,663,100.00 per Jaguar that AZGFD has killed. And if you consider the population of Jaguars in Wyoming which is 0 compared with the population of Jaguars in AZ which is some times 3. So you can see that we have to spend more to kill a Jaguar, because our population is 3x as much as Wyoming. And obvisouly since the supply of Jaguars is more in AZ the demand is much higher which explains why we spend more for dead Jaguars. Hang on and I will crunch some more numbers and come up with the supply and demand for dead Bighorn sheep.... It breaks

I'm getting the Jack Daniels out if Jcubed is gonna play professor...

They are public enemy #1, #2, and #3 in my mind. I don't agree with this... I would put some others higher on the list. 1. Obama 2. Holder 3. Biden 4. Sebelius 5. Reverend Al Sharp ton 6.Harry Reid 7. Nancy Pelosi 8. Chuck Schumer 9. Janet Napolitano 10. AZ G&F

Yes it is at taxpayers expense... every time you buy any hunting or fishing gear you pay a Pittman Robinson Act tax. That Pitman Robinson Act tax goes to fund our game and fish departments. Now, not everyone pays this tax. But hunters and outdoorsmen pay this tax and have every right to complain how it is used. Also, Game and Fish is the recipient of federal grants, that is also tax dollars.

If I lived closer, I would probably at least sneak up to the quaranteed perimeter, or perhaps a bit beyond if no one was looking and wail on a predator call for a stand or two...or maybe three if it feels good! Does anyone make a "Sheep in Distress" call?

You can hunt in the area, you just can't hike off the trails. So go set up on the trail and call, just watch out for the hippie hikers who will walk up on you and start screwing with you. And hope that the lion walks in on the trail and dies on the trail so you can retrieve him.Not so fast... the USFS website says the entire Sheep Reintroduction area is closed to entry... another restriction and loss of hunting opportunity... http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/coronado/news-events/?cid=STELPRDB5446651

According to the USFS website, the entire Sheep Reintroduction area is closed to entry... so even if you want to help kill lions, that opportunity has been taken away from you as a hunter. http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/coronado/news-events/?cid=STELPRDB5446651

Jim, have there been open forums like this in the past? And if so what issues were brought up by hunters? And how did the department act on these issues? I know I spent a ton of time and G&F meetings and thought I was doing some good...but soon realized that they didn't care and had their minds made up way in advance.

Maybe if you added up the values of the last 3 trucks I have owned it might come to $45,000, but a $50k truck...I don't think I will ever spend that kind of money on a truck. And as for the toy hauler... I hope I win the lottery and can buy one some day. And the $2500 rig I shoot, I think you added an extra zero on that number... my bow cost $300 and my best rifle cost $375... So I think you got the wrong guy here...

For you sendevil fans...

Hopefully its more interactive than the commission meetings where the commissioners eat lunch, text, take phone calls, check Facebook, and get up and walkout during the public comment time.

Omg that's classic!

Hmm...

Like I said above I will root for them... let's just hope they do better in the post season than their football team...

Excellent post Mr Smith. People love to spout off about things, but when the facts are laid out it gets real quiet.

Yes its hard to swallow that loss... but with that said maybe this will work out good for the Arizona basketball program. This team may well be the most talented team in the nation, but they need time to mature. The only Senior on the team is Jordan Mayes and he is the 8th man. Hopefully Arron Gordon, Nick Johnson, and Kaleb Tarzuski will realize they are not ready for NBA. That would be the best outcome of this season, returning everyone but Mayes. And with the number 1 recruiting class in the nation coming in next year it can only get better. So as hard as it is to say... good luck Devils. I will put away my pride and root for you in the NIT tournament.