GreyGhost85

if i had to guess, i would assume its on one of the peaks here in town. looks like possibly the mountain top on the 17 and pinnacle peak ish

packing out animals in pieces is a realtively new process. back in the day, huners almost always drug their deer out of the field whole. yes you do have your right to express an opinion because you do put money back into the system, however, maybe get a few more harvests and experience about hunting in general before telling people that have MUCH more experience than you how they should handle their business. you are a product of very modern hunting processes, and there is nothing wrong with that, but many of us that are multi generation die hard hunters that might conduct their business different than you, and who are you to tell us that we are doing things wrong and need to go back through hunter ed? hunter ed didn't teach me much other than how to get an orange card that lets me hunt in other states every year. i learned everything i know by being taken hunting from the time i could walk by people that have been been hunting since they could walk and so on and so forth. my family also ran a butcher shop for years. since i have been on this earth i have eaten 10 times more game meat than processed food. to say that my kills are taken care of properly and treated with respect is a tremendous understatement. anti hunters are going to be upset with hunters no matter what we do. i am not going to hide or be ashamed that i am a hunter, just so i don't upset an anti. hunting is here to stay, no matter how many hippies we piss off

so what is a person supposed to do if they dont have the luxury of having their kill hidden deep inside their truck? i have many times hauled out animals that are exposed in my vehicle, being on top of gear. what about a bull elk loaded into the back of a toyota? done that many times. should i take i hunter ed class because non-hunters saw my harvest? that was a ridiculoous comment. as long as the animal is being processed and taken care of, who cares if it is strapped to the top of a jeep? i hunt in a tacoma with a camper shell, and have been LUCKY enough to take a couple elk who's heads will not fit in the back. guess where they get strapped for the ride out? right on top of the camper shell. should i take hunter ed again so as to ensure i don't commit this horrible crime once again? we are all hunters. hunters kill things. non-hunters don't like seeing it. big deal. maybe if i take hunter ed 10 more times it will finally break my nasty habit

i work in the cell tower industry, and deal with similar shelters every day. these things are built basically bomb proof. i have seen people turn them into pretty neat guest rooms. bump for a neat item

you can usually catch quite a few right there through greer. they are usually really small though. just drift small pieces of worm or salmon eggs with a very small single hook and no weight, under overhanging limbs, and where the water swirls

Razor Dobbs is an idiot and gives hunter a bad name by acting like such a jack@$$ all the time. just because Razor Dobbs shot a farm elkover a waterhole with a 10mm doesn't mean it is an ethical or wise choice to hunt with. Sure, it will kill game, but anyhting that that idiot does is good reason to do the exact opposite

how about a trade? i've got a slightly used parachute and a bitchin pellet gun. i'll throw them both in if you sweeten the pot with a little cash on your end

nice buck, especially with a bow. Not sure about the part of being "bummed" because you draw your 2nd antelope tag and are 20ish years old? i have 18bp, my brother 19, dad 23 BP for antelope. i don't think any of us would be "bummed" with an antelope tag

A winter with heavy snowfall also has a lot to do with antler growth. growing up in the white mountains, i have always paid close attention to moisture levels and horn growth. i think a wet winter has at least as much to do with good antler growth as a wet summer. also a factor that not many people take into consideration is that on a dry year, the enamel layer of antlers is not nearly as thick and strong as it is on a wet year. this leads to bulls that are busted up really bad. i personally think that is why the bulls in 9 and 10 are usually busted up so bad, as compared to units like 1 and 27. Where moisture really helps animals is plant moisture. just because there are many water holes in an area has nothing to do with antler growth. if there is no moisture in the feed, they don't get the nutrients they need to grow big, STRONG antlers

i saw a thread on some hoochie mama game calls that turned into a bashing. Rather than knocking the guy trying to sell an item, i would like to see where everyone stands on these. Personally, i feel that they are the worst thing that has ever happened to true elk callers. when they first came out probably 10-15 years ago, they worked pretty darn good. it takes the skill and "art" if you will, out of elk calling. Now, i think in a lot of places a hoochie mama is about as effective as a gun shot. on archery elk hunts, every time you hear an elk bugle, you hear 10 hoochie mama calls squealing through the woods. These calls have made elk shy to answer any kind of elk calls. before their invention, you could cow call and bugle bulls in all day long, and now the preferred method for all of the very seasoned elk hunters that i know, is bugle to locate a bull, then don't call again. Nothing will ever beat a good diaphragm call being used by someone who has mastered them.

where i hunt, the rain came a little late for the elk it seemed like, so they have average-decent antler growth. the rain seemed to be just in time for the deer, and they are having a great year. all the bucks i watch have put on a lot of growth since last year

Harris is the way to go. i've spent money on knock offs and they seem to work good for a couple seasons before they fall apart. i have had a harris for probably 7 years now, and stillworks flawlessly

trouser trout and tube steak

those green people must have had yellow bellies too then

that's a good bull. does anyone know what he scores? i have a number in my head, and want to know how close i am. PM me if you don't want to post it here

post #1, NICE! I'll save you some trouble as well. go to www.azgfd.gov, where to hunt, and check the hunt unit descriptions. they will point you in the right direction. unit 22 has a lot of competition, and the locals are very secretive of their spots

last year i had a TON of bears on all of my game cameras, and not many mature bucks at all. this year for some reason, i have very few bears coming in, and lots of big, mature bucks. i see a direct correlation in number of bears, and number of mature bucks. i think that big old bucks are just very shy, and want to keep out of harm's way and avoid danger whenever possible. little bucks and does don't seem to mind the bears. big bucks are big for a reason and they know that a big old rogue boar can see them as a meal, just like a lion. I am not saying that bears are as hard on deer as lions, but they are opportunistic animals, especially the big, mature bears. if a deer is going to hang around, the bear will try to kill it. last year, during the bear influx, much of the bear scat i found had deer hair in it. just my two cents, but i am a FIRM believer that big bucks avoid areas with a heavy bear concentration.

I'm sitting at 18 BP and have debated cashing mine in on an archery tag. I hunt colorado antelope most years to satisfy my craving, but i want to kill a BIG arizona buck. i have taken 4 between 70-78"

nevermind. i think that was an old pope and young/boone and crockett stipulation. i found this in the regs: d. Electronic night vision equipment, electronically enhanced light-gathering devices, thermal imaging devices or laser sights; except for devices such as laser range finders, scopes with selfilluminating reticles, and fiber optic sights with self-illuminating sights or pins that do not project a visible light onto an animal.

i am not positive, but isn't it illegal to use any kind of an electronic device attached to your bow or rifle in Arizona? i thought i had heard somewhere that technically lighted nocks, sight lights, illuminated reticles, smart scopes, etc are not legal here? maybe someone can expand on this?

i do understand that some people actually do have allergies to gluten and dairy, and i am not in any form trying to bash those specific people. the gluten free thing is a fad though. when you eat a whole bowl of pasta, you feel bloated, and your stomache doesn't feel right. that's the way it is, it doesn't mean you have an "intolerance". when people cut out gluten and have these dramatic weight loss, and feel good stories, it is probably due to the fact that they don't eat so many carbs anymore, they lose a bunch of weight, and in turn, feel bettter. it is a simple diet that everyone has heard of. everyone has an intolerance to certain things if you over do them. just like people eating a block of cheese and either getting the squirts, or getting plugged up, and blaming it on "lactose intolerance". it has nothing to do with "lactose intolerance", it is a fact that if you drink a half gallon of milk, or a block of cheese, it is going to make you feel crappy. you don't see people that get a belly ache from eating too dang much candy claim they have a "sugar inolerance", or a guy that has one too many beers blame his hangover on some kind of intolerance.

that is a very couesy-lookin' mule deer. I thought it was a big ol' whitey for a while. nice bull too

man, that buck would have been a giant in 2-3 more years. congrats on the success

gotta love when post #1 is asking for help on a hunt. I'll tell you the same thing most other people on here are going. go to azgfd.gov and look at the hunt unit descriptions. it will give you some places to start

looks like you have found a "doe hole", at least that's what I call similar areas. I have noticed on my salt licks that some will be predominantly bucks, and others will be mostly does. don't why it seems that way, or if it is just coincidence.