brian390

I'm starting to lean your way on this davehc130. A lot of guys on here were in favor of the non ban within a certain distance of a water source. They think that you're complaining, but I see where you're coming from. I know hunting products get more technologically advanced pretty often, and I'm not a fan of stopping technology to hunting products. Trail cams just seem to do it though. Although the pictures are fun to look at, it leaves no secrets out there. On one of my hunts I was talking to a guide that was guiding the unit. I told him about an ok bull that I had seen during my hunt and a certain characteristic about it's antler. He said oh yeah I have that bull on camera, and he told me right where I had seen that bull. It just seems a little weird when you can do that.

I wouldn't doubt that the mule deer in the Flagstaff area are at an all time low right now. It's getting pretty bad out there for mule deer. I'm pretty sure that the 1000 tags found the 2 deer.

If there is no unknown out there, what's the fun of that? You need some hunters in a unit to be trying to call in a gobbler in tortilla flat, and him thinking that he had a chance. To him he thought the day was great, and it was a learning experience for him. When you're putting all of the tag holders in a few specific areas where the animals of the unit kind of concentrate it ruins everyone's hunt.

Yeah I would say that it was more likely the forest service rather than game and fish. I like small sections closed off but not where you need a horse to hunt it. I see their point in being that there are some sections over run with roads, but they took the closures to an extreme. Just take a bulldozer or tractor like they do and make a road. They prefer to drive the tractors all over the woods cutting down trees, and don't have a problem with it. But they have a problem with a little two track road even when another road isn't even close to being around it.

davehc130, although quite a few on here aren't agreeing with your opinion on this I see it your way. If everyone knows everything it takes the fun out of hunting. This kind of concentrates everyone in a few spots where the animals actually live and it kind of ruins everyone's hunt instead of a few.

Usually the only problems that I have with hunting buddies are the ones that I'm teaching to hunt. I'm starting to wonder about teaching anymore because some of them it's hard to get the point to them that you don't want to hunt with them. The hardest ones to get the point that you don't want to hunt with them are the ones that work with you. You just can't quit answering the phone in that situation. The hunters that I like to hunt with camp with you and go to their own spots. I hate the ones that try to follow you everywhere. That can get annoying real quick. I usually hunt with a good group that I like, and these are true examples with me with new hunters that I take out. I've had some where when you hunt with them things of yours tend to disappear. We were calling in a gobbler once and the guy gets up and walks over to me to tell me that he sees them coming in. You go walk a spot and they come walk on top of you when they know that you're there walking it. You get out of the truck early in the morning to go set up on some roosted gobblers and he hits his truck alarm.

It's theirs if you don't know where it is.

Travel Management didn't work around Flagstaff, and it's stupidity at a high level. They've had more complaints about it than anything. Who"s going to open a map at every intersection. You need roads to stop wildfires and to have access for recreation. It seems to be a little bit of a control issue.

Did you find anyone to go with? Is your wife going?

Although Jump Up is good during the archery season I prefer the White Pockets and Eagle Pass areas better. Some of the trick tanks in that area a phenominal. It's weird how most of the tracks you see look older in those areas, but it's how the dirt in that area fills in after contact. It's just a drier thinner dirt that hardens quick. Four years ago when i had the archery tag I helped a guy drag one to his truck out of Kanab Creek Wilderness. I think that it was 90 degrees out, and steep. Some of the bucks that come out of there are pretty nice.

What your doctor doesn't know won't hurt them. If a scouting package isn't too pricey you might try that. Just ask the guide for some hot tanks. Someone might message you some hot tanks from this website being that you fight for this country. Pray for the rain to stop, so the tanks are good, and so the deer aren't so spread out.

Good choice

Naturebob, who did you get for your guide? You don't have to say if you don't want to. I was just wondering.

I wouldn't put my house downhill of a lot of plastic. Also I wouldn't put plastic around trees because water won't get to them. I've used plastic once because it was a high traffic spot and I wanted extra weed control. It was in a spot that had vehicles on it, and had no problems with plastic. But with that plastic I used a double layer of tarp with it, and made sure that there wasn't a water run off problem, or trees.

Instead of a pick use a rototiller. Those work pretty good on getting up the grass. I would level the yard before laying rock, because the yards that I've seen where they didn't level the ground before rock looked better before.

If it were me I would take the grass out, and make it level. If it's a big area use a bobcat, and if not do it by hand with a pick. If you cover the grass with plastic I'm not sure how good it would keep the grass from growing through it, but I know that if you used tarp the grass would grow right through it. If you use tarp under your rock don't get that grey thin stuff. I tried that in some small places and it's worthless. I've always have had luck with a double layer of that thicker black tarp. If you're down in the valley, I don't believe that most people put tarp under their rock.

It seemed like every idea that we came up with, nefarious red said that it wasn't possible.

Sorry to hear about this. If I remember right didn't he used to post quiet a bit on here?

Since you have the late hunt I would look more in the cedars and maybe some on the points leading to the transition zone. Some deer can be up high during the late hunt, but they're usually on the points getting ready to bale off. If I was you right now I would go low in the cedars and find side roads that have good glassing spots off of them. I would mark those spots on my gps so that you can find them again. Also down low you might get an idea where the trick tanks are in case it's a dry hunt. If it's dry the deer will be hitting them and hanging in the general area. Good luck on your hunt. Great tag.

I've never hunted 6a in December so don't know much about it. During the rut in some of these not so known units, it will surprise you of the quality that can be seen during the rut if you're in the right spot.

west? West? Yeah naturebob drew 12A West

I thought that I would post it again.

I really doubt that there is a deer season right now anywhere.

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