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Bill Q, Sounds like your the resident G&F history buff so you may correct me but if my memory is right I remember my grandfather telling me that when he started with the USFS (@1942) he was also classified as a USF&G Officer half his wages where paid by USF&G and the other half by USFS. He helped cover the area from Flag - Winslow - Down the Rim to Camp Verde - Back to Flag. He also said the government (Washington) at the time didn't think that they needed Wildlife Managers and decided that for the time it would be a joint effort between the States and the Government. When it started becoming more and more work and more and more money the Government backed out and the AZG&F really took off. Most of the guys that were involved in the start up of the USF&G/USFS were given the choice of staying with the USFS or transferring to the new AZG&F and when asked back then where the money was going to come from AZG&F had to show ample proof that they could sustain X amount of pay roll to even exist. And even back in the late 40s early 50s they had the idea of charging X amount for hunting each species of animal among other things and had proposed some sort of drawing system. This aggravated the employees and residents and they ended up not haveing a draw system and it never came to surface agian until the number of transplanted Elk reached large numbers and got huge attention, they started re thinking the draw system and ultimately we have what we have today. It's enteresting to think of what could be if our hunting wasn't controlled by AZG&F but was controlled by USF&G. Would our voice be heard? And would Wildlife Management be Better or Worse? Buckhorn

Happy B-Day Josh, Where you going to be @ the 6th or 7th? Thought we could do breakfast and BS. Buckhorn.

Took me a little will to see the horns. And is that you in the sky line to the left waiting for them to leave so you could develop the pics. Buckhorn

Scott, Great story and awesome pics of the lion. Hard to see one (unless up a tree) let alone take pics. Buckhorn

100% success. That would would be neat to see a stat on success per group. Congratulations guys! Buckhorn

Great buck guys. And thanks for sharing the pics.

"What is wrong with you? What is a tree hugger? Is that the same as a bunny hugger or are they different? Your kind of rhetoric is damaging to the image of hunting. Using your creative engergy to badmouth other people who value wildlife but who have the audacity to value wildlife that they cant shoot could be better spent working together understand each other and to protect habitat. If it wasnt for wildlife managers, our wildlife would have disappearred a long time ago. What have you done for wildife other than pay for a hunting license and bad mouth "tree huggers". All people who love the outdoors value wildlife and habitat...and therefore we are out to protect the same things. Unless, you only care about your immediate ability to shoot whatever you want without any consequence or retrospection." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Patrick15 Aren't you the same individual that bad mouthed ranchers as a whole? Maybe it was or is the Wildlife that has adapted to it's surroundings and thats why they haven't dissapeared. And Wildlife Managers may come up with a plan but I've never seen one out in the field actually doing crap; except for patrolling during the hunting season. But to say they actually help the wildlife; I just don't see it. Buckhorn

Sorry for the confusion but I?m not a guide or outfitter I?m an operations manager for a drilling company that services the western US and like a stripper I often call the people I work for my clients. As for why he didn?t shoulder mount his buck; I was told that he doesn?t do anything except European mounts ?period? So ?to each his own?. Cramerhunts this buck was taken with a rifle and from my understanding they take about 10 a year off this property. Buckhorn

Here is a pictures of a blacktail that a client of mine took this season in South Puget Sound, Washington. You cannot see it in the pictures, but the old guy only has four teeth and his mouth was stained blue from evergreen huckleberries he must have been eating to stay alive. Dressed out he was something like 180 lbs. I realized I haven?t posted a pic before so I?ll try it. Buckhorn

Had a guy and a girl pull up under my tree stand in 5B South and they just went at it (never knew I was there). And the strangest and funniest thing I?ve seen was will riding on our ranch near the rim; we came a cross a guy that had three garbage bags full of marijuana and he was trying to build a cabin so that he could stay the winter. It was about 10? X 10? and holes that you could put your fist through. To bad we called the sheriff; it would have been interesting to see if he could have made it through the winter. Buckhorn

BowhuntCoues, That?s one of those rare and elusive Pterodactyl skulls; just ask my 5 year old son. Buckhorn

I?ve found a lot of knives (non to old), a lot of Indian artifacts (pots, arrow heads, rugs, axes and three Indian arrows stuck in the roof of a cave) and a pistol that somebody had left hanging in a tree. Amanda, There?s I guy I meet when I was younger that found a breast plate and a three foot sword in the White Mountain of Camp Verde. Buckhorn

Washington, were the men are men and everybody's pale.

Josh, YA THOSE WERE THE DAYS!!!! The first year that I actually went out on horseback and looked for horns and not cattle was with my Uncle Bill Teague (Uncle Boy) and was told a story that still makes me laugh as I think of it. We where riding near the old cabin (Forum Name) when we saw the guys that rode for V-V (after the Sullivan sold) and they came over to talk. They didn't at the time speak any english and motioned for us to come with them. We road down the draw to where they had left a pack mule and the third member of there group o-ya and a train wreck. When we asked what had happened they pointed to my horse and the horns I had drapped around it and told the story. They had packed salt in from summer cabin and had seen elk horns and deer horns all the way down and when they had only one or two salt lick to go they started putting all the horns that they could on that poor mule and when they didn't have any room left on the mule they started draping them over there saddles. Well everything was going fine until one of the elk horns came loose and started poking that mule in the side. The mule started crow hoping and pushing bye there horses and one right after the other started poking there horses which in turn started there horse bucking and eventually they bucked them all off. They first found the horse that they hadn't actually tied the horns too; then they found the mule and one other horse and decided that they would leave one guy behind to unload the mule and go look for the other horse (which is when they found us). They ended up leaving the horns and pack saddle behind and one guy had to ride that pack mule all the way to toilet paper before we found the last horse with every single horn tangled up in a rope trailing him about 15'. That poor horse looked like he was about ready to jump out of his skin and as far as i know they never did ride him again. Anyways they didn't want anything to do with horns anymore and said if I went back the next day and retrieved there packs they would give me all the horns and would tell me where i could pick up every horn they had ever hung in a tree. Which ended up being @ 100 horns (brown,semi and chalk) not counting the ones that we found that day we first saw them. That was one of about three stories that i have about those V-V boys and it may not have been written as funny as it actually was but man those boys could find horns like nobody i'd ever seen; they just couldn't hold onto them. I'll have to write a post about the time we found one of our Bull that had been shoved over into clear creek and as a group of about ten of us where standing there looking at that Bull about 40' straight down one of the boys that we had never heard speak anything said one name that said it all. Evil Knievel. My grandparents are Alvin and Valda Teague (next door to your dad). I grew up on the Crooked H. Fossil Creek was our winter range and Clints Well down to the Power Lines was our summer range. We have a ton of relatives in Payson (Pyles and Taylers). So I was spoiled all the way around (CV in the winter Long Valley in the summer Payson when we could). And don't hold anything against me for hanging with AP. What a piece of work he turned into. Buckhorn (Nathan Jackson) 1-206-255-2720

Josh, Do you remember Zach Wolf? His mother owned the shop next to Custard Last Stand @ 1986. She was the one that turned Aaron P and me onto selling to the shops in Sedona. I remember my first year selling brown horns I had 1,000 pounds and made good money. The next year we found @ 750 pounds and made awesome money because we found a few bulls that had died during rifle season and sold them in Sedona. those where the good days when we found sheds all the way up the road trailing cattle from winter to summer ground on the M Diamond and V-V. I sure miss those days. Buckhorn

C-1 I agree, and think that they are uninformed remarks that most people make and not negative remarks. However they are remarks that we have a hard time letting go none the less right or wrong. Buckhorn

Awesome buck Mace and don't let anyody make you think It's anything less than what it is. And please don't let it detour you from thinking people are generally good, honest and positive people when given the oppertunity to see such a great trophy like that. Buckhorn

fatfootdoc, Great Post. The thing that kills me is these people are a direct link to why we (hunters) are getting a bad name. They need to relize that todays world believes more in what they hear not what they see. So negative comments about one mans hunting capabilities and sucess hurts everyone not just the person making the comment when they turnout looking like a fool. Buckhorn

Josh, Next time I'm next door to your dads (Alvin & Valda) I'll give him the phone numbers. Or atleast the shop in Sedona that she owned. Buckhorn

Patrick, I come from a cattle family and worked for the forest service as a range conservationist and can't believe what i'm reading. Wildlife as you and everybody else in AZ knows it couldn't and wouldn't be any where near what it is today without the ranching system of the old. I think you and alot of people have been sucked into believing that ranchers are taking every thing they can get; and it's just not so. We could get into first, second and third bite info and what it all means to wildlife but I need to settle down and and control my thought before i say something i should. i do however believe that you should read -up on it before making a comment like that. Buckhorn

Shiras That is @#!%^$! impressive even if some of it is fake. but it does make you wonder how he developed a rack that big. Maybe there cross breeding with Elk. Buckhorn

Sounds like a lot. But in 1989 me and a friend found a bull that scored 360". We sold it to a lady in Sedona for $850.00. A week later she called and said she had sold it to some people in New York for $1,700.00 and ask that ifwe had any more sets of antlers she would buy them from us. We ended up shipping 5 sets too New York and all for over $1,500.00 we payed shipping. So it may sound high but somebody gauranteed will buy it. If not just for there dental office in some city Buckhorn

I had a crew working in Montana when they came up on this car. The crew told me that they were driving @ 20 mph. After they passed them they pulled into a dinner to eat and said when they were coming out; the car was fueling up and the roof had caved in and the front windshield was completely shattered. If you look close in the picture you can see the cracks already starting of the front windshield. "NOT RELATED" Buckhorn