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I'm sure we'd all like to see a snapshot of your results showing that you applied for the same hunt 4 times (1-4), then we're drawn for your 5th Choice. Also, did you do this for the past 3 years each year? Lastly, were you drawn on your first choice for those years, or "5th"? Looking forward to seeing those...

While that sounds like a reasonable explanation, this is not what happened (based on a screenshot of which hunts were applied for & the results clearly showing the 5th choice was successful... Note that this was later removed from this thread). There were 5 different bull elk hunts applied for in this case, not the same one 4 times, then a "second" as a "fifth" choice.

I'm interested on hearing what it says now. Mine hasn't changed... archery cow when they first showed, same now.

Haven't been there since the fire, but we always used to camp on the west fork of the Black River. It's in the southern part of the unit, but was a great spot to hunt out of as well as take a day off fly fishing etc.

While I could say that's BS (having applied w/19 goat points in unit 9 this year & not drawn... again...), I've had my fair share of tags in the past. Also I have a son who years ago drew a Sept rifle bull tag in 5bN w/only a hunter ed point... it happens. Congrats on the tags. Another son & I drew archery cow tags, so at least I get to go. We didn't know until just now as we applied w/money orders.

Mormon Lake, 3/26/17

Upper Lake Mary looking west 3/26/17, lake at max level.

Lower Lake Mary from Marshall Lake Rd

Very upper end of Upper Lake Mary, 3/26/17

Mormon Lake, 3/26/17...

Perhaps I'll run out there this afternoon & take/post a few pics for those who want to see them... it's about a 45 min drive.

Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. LolEverything in this state that has to do with water is cumulative. Aquifers, resevoirs, stock tanks. We'll just agree to disagree. For those things yes you're right. Probably the first time I've ever agreed with bonecollector777 but for antler growth precipitation 6 months ago doesn't matter. Wow, I too agree. If things go dry like they are predicting. This snow won't mean much. The snow isn't going to help May/June/July if it's dry. Just ask a cattle rancher about rain and quality of his beef. While future rain is essentially educated guessing, I can personally report tanks and lakes in the Flagstaff/Williams area are fuller than they have been in years. Upper Lake Mare was recently spilling over the dam, Mormon Lake has significantly more water than in recent years, and even the small tanks I was by last weekend we're quite full.

No you're not, however in Hunt4horns example it showed his friend received tag No. 278 for hunt No 3022 in 2012 on his fifth choice, and was applying by himself with only 2 bonus points. He was drawn for a tag in a hunt where 575 tags were issued, & according to the data issued by the G&F there were 1,378 first choice applicants, so that scenario is, by law (tag application process is actually state law), impossible. The only way any 5th choice application could have been drawn, in your example, is if he was issued tag No. 573, 574, or 575 assuming we're multiple applicants on every one of the remaining 800+ first choice applicants after the first 573 tags were issued in the 1st & 2nd choice drawing "rounds". Keep in mind he was issued tag No. 278, therefore it should have been impossible unless there ere either flaws in the programing or someone was overriding the draw system.

I suggest you search & read up on or look up youtube videos on Dr. ED Ashby's research regarding arrow weight, EFOC, & single bevel broadheads.

I know we typically passed on spikes, but never on any adult bulls.

BTW Alpine..., the 3 year wait was only for rifle elk tags, not archery as I recall... or was it both, but since there were always leftover tags for the 1-2-4&27 hunt we could just buy it after the draw?

I remember putting in for 5B, not getting drawn, so we went down to the G&F office & bought an archery bull tag for units 1, 2, 4, & 27! I started hunting in the late 70's... Horton Creek in unit 27, Boggy, Centerfire, & Wildcat Creeks in unit 1, & Chevelon Butte in 4. Those hunts were so much fun, back before diaphragm calls, & using gas pipe or straight pipe bugles! I also started using an Olt quail call to mimic cow elk & having a ball, & in the early 80's hearing people using diaphragm turkey calls to sound like bulls. Also the year the Larry Jones elk bugle came out & how great we thought it sounded (I believe I still have mine BTW). Probably dating myself some... :/

Hunt4horns, did you delete your post with the pic or CW.com?

Maybe it was your turn then...

Well, I for one applied for unit 8 Sept Archety bull first choice & wasn't drawn. Something is wrong with that picture.

Well, I for one applied for unit 8 Sept Archety bull first choice & wasn't drawn. Something is wrong with that picture.

You are giving hope to those who had none!

Naw, they just hit the same charge twice! (...happened to a friend last year....)

When I hear stories like that I seriously wonder if the person lost track of which choice they put that hunt or made a mistake and switched two hunt numbers when applying. As far as I understand there are no early archery tags that make it past the 1&2 pass of the draw. That is what I thought until he showed me his confirmation receipt with his choices, I couldn't believe he drew his 3rd choice!!I said there was know way he drew early archery 3rd choice & said he made a mistake on his app, but he showed me the proof. What hunt? If it's a prime unit/hunt where people miss out on tags with their first/second choice then I'd say something went wrong with the stated draw process. If it's not a popular hunt, then I can see that happening.

When I hear stories like that I seriously wonder if the person lost track of which choice they put that hunt or made a mistake and switched two hunt numbers when applying. As far as I understand there are no early archery tags that make it past the 1&2 pass of the draw. All you have to do is look at the drawing statistics to verify whether or not it's possible. I agree with your summation... while it's possible, it's at the same time inconceivable that it would actually happen. Even if it did happen for myself I'd probably not admit it publically!