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If you are stuck on 6.5 (which I am not against in the least for antelope/deer/sheep, just not for grizzly), even the fast magnums do not recoil that bad without a brake. No need to load them.down for hunting unless they are not as accurate at the top end. A 7SS or .300SS would be a better choice if grizzly are seriously on the list. If you are in Phoenix, and you want to fondle a couple Manners stocks, let me know. EH1, EH2, PRS2. I would still go for the EH4 for my own lightweight rifle. A good #2 barrel, with proper load development, should shoot just as good as a Proof Sendero Light for the first (and most important) 2-3 shots. A Proof will be stiffer than a #2, so therefore probably easier to tune with a broader node to work in. Every Proof barrel I have shot has been very accurate. But then again, most custom steel barrels have been as well. I have shot three 6.5SAUM, and six 6.5SS in short actions. The 6.5SS was conceived to fit in a true short action better than the SAUM does without seating the bullets into the case as much. Both my 6.5SSs are on short actions. Not mediums. R700SA and Lone Peak Fuzion TI SA. But, the R700 has been cut for a Wyatt's box, and the Lone Peak is set up for one already from the factory. Also, the 6.5SS is cut with .250" freebore to allow seating bullets out, where most 6.5SAUMs are .188" freebore (and some less) if I recall. The 6.5SAUM and 6.5SS are both very accurate. Flip a coin. Both can push a 140gr 3150 if you stand on them, 3200 is not unheard of if you use certain powders. I choose not to use those however. I run a 140 Hybrid @ 3120, a 150 SMK @ 3117, or a 127 LRX @ 3210 in my older 25.5" 1:8" 5R Bartlein #3b fluted 6.5SS. My new 6.5SS only has like 40 rounds down the barrel. 26" 1:7.5" Proof 4 groove. So far, I have gotten the 156 Berger up to 3024fps in the first 21 rounds down the barrel. So far, low .1 to .3s out to 200 in heavy mirage and winds. I tried the 131 Hammer Hunter in it this weekend, and they seem like they are going g to shoot good too. .3s @ 3151 & 3182fps in a barrel that is not broken in and sped up yet.

"Killing Everything Vermin" (KEV)

I should be able to let you know in a couple weeks, when Taylor smokes a pronghorn with them....

I went light and fast(er) in my 6.5SLR. 130 OTM @ 2888. Very similar retained velocity and energy at 900 yards as the 147 ELD-M @ 2685fps. 45" less drop, but 3" more drift in a 10mph 90° full value wind, reduced TOF too.

If you like the 6.5SS....w. the 156 Berger Elite.... The rifle ain't bad either. Not an "ultralight", but it is a real shooter so far. 9lbs 12oz with some heavier glass on it. A different stock/bottom metal could easily shave another 1.5# off.

I sure as heck would NOT build ANY 6.5 for grizzly protection. .300WSM, .300SS, .325WSM, .338SS, etc. With no brake, in an ultralight rifle....they are going to kick like a pissed off mule. I have a couple Lone Peak Fuzion TI SAs also. One Nitride bolt only, one full Nitride. Both are very smooth. If you want to save weight, think Lone Peak Razor TI SA. Will save you the weight of the Picatinny rails and the need for heavier Picatinny rings. You can go with Talley Lightweight one piece bases. Pierce is now building TI actions with steel bolts. You gain a bit of weight, but smoother actions. The TI action and TI bolt is where they can get sticky, even with Nitride coatings. There are a few other TI actions. Mesa Crux, R700 TI. Maybe think about the Defiance Ultralight steel too. Expect to pay $1400-1800 depending on choice. I would go lighter on the contour, like a #2 or #2b. #3 fluted would be the absolute max contour I would think about. But they will be a bit "whippy". But still shootable. #3 fluted will be about the same weight as a Proof Sendero Light of the same length. So think about a short Proof Sendero Light for a stiffer barrel in the short lengths. There are lighter stocks to be had than McMillan Edge or B&C Ultralight. Manners has some, plus a few others like Brown, MPI makes some ridiculously light stocks, as little as 8oz I think. But I don't think that would stand up to a lightweight .338SS. Sub 7# rifles, while THEY may be capable of shooting accurately enough for 700 yard shots on deer, they are much harder to shoot accurately for the SHOOTER. Especially in a heavy recoiling chambering. And they sure aren't going to be fun shooting a lot of rounds to practice and get comfortable (haha, relative term) with. With that light of a rifle, to make the 700 yard shots, plan on prone or sitting with a great 2-3 points of contact and bipod/tripod. Which adds weight. I think most scopes in the 2-10, 3-12 range are plenty for hunting medium sized game out to 700 yards. Get one with generous eye relief, you are going to need it. You can eliminate a lot of the recoil/accuracy problems by going to a lighter recoiling round. But grizzly protection kind of goes out the window if you want to survive unscathed in the event of a close encounter with a pissed off bear. If I were to build a true lightweight, I would think a 500 yard shot would be about max. And grizzly protection would come in the form of a big handgun. Which adds a couple pounds. So you might as well add weight to the rifle. Lone Peak Razor TI SA @ 20oz Wyatt's extended internal magazine box @ 3oz Manners EH4 @ 22-24oz or Manners UC Ultra Classic @ 18-19oz in ADL style (no bottom metal needed, only trigger guard) Alloy trigger guard (4oz) Bartlein #1 @ 20" (24oz) or #2 @ 20" (28oz) +/- Timney CE (6oz) Hawkins Hybrid Ultralight 1-piece rings w. level (3oz) Comes out to 4.875 to 5.5lbs +/- depending on choices. Add your choice of scope to the total weight. Not that I am a big Leupold fan, but they do have some nice lightweight scopes. You can actually get some of the lower end scopes that are way lighter than the ones listed. Leupold VX-6HD 2-12x42 @ 20oz Leupold VX-6HD 3-18x44 @ 22oz or Mark 6HD 3-18x44 FFP @ 24oz Leupold VX-5HD 2-10x42 @ 18oz Leupold VX-5HD 3-15x44 @ 20oz or Mark 5HD 3.6-18x44 @ 26oz March 2.5-25x52 @ 23oz or 3-24x52 FFP @ 25oz March 2.5-25x42 @ 21oz or 3-24x42 FFP @ 23oz Tangent Theta TT315M 3-15x50 @ 28oz FFP

What are you getting for velocity with the 147 in the 6.5 Creed?

What??? I got kicked out of there about 10 years ago....

Listen to the answers. It is a mule deer. Plenty of 3x3 mule deer that could be confused with Coues. But the ears, tail, facial features clearly indicate mule deer.

If it shoots that good...why are you NOT using it?!?

That Burris XTRII has a .15MOA thick center cross. That is at 5x or 25x. Meaning at 500 yards, it covers .78" on the target. At 1000 yards, covers 1.6". I think I could live with that for a deer rifle. How about that new Gen 2XR you should be out shooting at this very moment?

All the scopes I own are FFP. Shot deer out to 637, elk out to 882, coyotes out to 1365. Doesn't seem to hinder me a bit. The reticle will not cover any more of the deer at 24x as it does on 6x. The target grows with the reticle. Depending on your reticle, a .25MOA crosshair will only cover a 1.25" area at 500 yards. Unless you can hold .5" difference at 500, you won't ever notice. You could shoot prairie dogs at 500 with that cover.

What city and approximate area?

Yep. Probably larvae inside right now if no holes....yet.

New version of the ones I have used for years. Thousands of hours behind them. Awesome glass. Great price.

Take both phones. Never hunted up in 12BW, but I have been all over the areas within 150 miles in most directions. Reception is spotty. But usually can get signal from most areas. Awesome draw, good luck on the hunt. Don't shoot the first mature buck you see unless it is a true brute. This is a great year to have a tag.

Prayers sent. All we can do right now.

I agree. Not all "ring-necked Snakes" have the ring behind the head. If it is, It should get some color on the belly as it matures. Also, could be a black-headed snake depending on where she lives. Smith's (most common and widespread), Plains, Chihuahuan, or Yaqui. Either way, Good snake=do not kill.

Don't use this guy! Apparently, his shop is way too hot and the horns melt off the antelope!!! JK, awesome bucks. I love those character bucks. I would shoot those in a heartbeat.

There is a place down off 35th and McDowell or close to there that has the same type of items/prices. I have a few of the big totes for camping. They are awesome, and were very inexpensive for what they are.

Deep canyons are exactly where you should expect to see bulls.

Are you looking for a rifle build INCLUDING mounting the scope? Or just mounting a scope on a current .30-378 Weatherby, zeroing it, and getting load data for a custom turret (which are fine for 500 yards or so, but not so much after that)? Factory ammo or handloads?

Axisworks, Phoenix Custom, or Southern Xpress. All "east side".

Don't let the idea of seeing bulls now but they won't be there in November dissuade you. I see bulls up high every year in other units, exactly where I see them through the summer. It is HUNTING pressure that will push them. They could still be in the same general areas, but they will be holed up in the thick, nasty, inaccessible places in the unit by end of November.

Whatever you buy, Get them from Discount and buy the road hazard. I have 127k on my set of 37" BFG MT KM2s I bought in 2007 on my F250 Super Duty diesel.....of course, DTC has paid to replace about 16 of them for me.