lancetkenyon

I shot a .30-06 & .270 for years when I was a kid hunting with my Dad. No brake on them. 7RM for years after that with no brake. I got my first brake on my .300RUM when I bought it back in 1999. I shot 5 rounds with it.....and went and installed a brake. R700 BDL sporter weight @ 8+# was not friendly. Now, I am a wimp, and have a brake on everything except my AR and rimfires. My 6CM will even have one. Much easier to shoot LR when you can see your own impacts.

You have it backwards. 6.5CM w. 140 class bullet will be 2800-2900 average. Let's say 2850 because that is what my 6.5SLR shoots and I already have all that input into my ballistics program. .338 Edge w. 300 class bullet will be 2850-2900 average. Let's say 2850 to make it even. Drop is comparable out to 400, then the .388EDGE spanks the 6.5CM in ballistics. Especially with wind drift at drop at 1300 yards. 1700 yard comparison: 2000' elevation, 59*F, 10mph 90* wind 6.5CM w. 140 Berger @ 2850fps: drop 1273" (20.8MIL/72MOA), drift 197" .338 Edge w. 300 Berger @ 2850fps: drop 940" (15.4MIL/53.5MOA), drift 126"

Sorry Big Tub. Copywright 2009. No inclusion of hand loads, or high quality bullets. And ridiculously low claims. Saying a .260 is only good for a 500# elk out to 75 yards is asinine. And saying you need a .338RUM for a large moose @ 300 yards...…..stupid. But then again, we were talking about shooting steel, accuracy at 1300 yards, etc., not so much hunting. Even though I use shooting steel as hunting practice. I would not use a 6.5CM on anything other than coyotes @ 1300 yards. Not even a Coues deer or javelina. In all honesty, I have my own criteria for hunting. 1800fps minimum on target, regardless of bullet type/brand/construction, and 1000ft/lbs of energy for deer-sized game and down, and 1500ft/lbs for elk/bear that exceed 300# live weight. But, even though I have several rifles that are fully capable of taking big game @ 1000+, I have personally never shot big game over 662 yards. Coyotes though....if I can see em', I will send lead at them.

I have shot a lot out past 1300 yards. With everything from my 6.5SLR pushing a 140 HVLD @ 2850, to a 7RM pushing a 180 Hybrid @ 2996, to a .300RUM pushing a 230 Hybrid @ 3068, to a .338 Edge pushing a 300SMK @ 2820. My 6.5SLR is deadly accurate out to 1500 easily....on a calm day....on steel and rocks and stupid ground squirrels that inhabitnone of the areas I shoot. But I would never shoot at anything else living other than a jackrabbit or coyote at those ranges. That bullet/speed puts it subsonic at about 1580-1620 yards depending on conditions. I have shot it @ 1771, but those hit not only become more erratic, but much harder to see impacts for corrections. I think a lot of errors you are going to see over 1300 yards are wind induced. Even a 2mph difference will change POI (from 3mph to 5mph) almost 24" difference in drift, from 23" to 47". And that is if it is consistent. Swirling winds will push it all over the place. And winds change direction and speed across 3/4 mile easily. Meaning very hard to judge all aspects of it. Tailwinds induce less drop, headwinds induce more drop, full value winds push left or right, etc. Plus, you still have spin drift at 1300 to account for. And your zero better be perfect L-R. And your ballistic inputs. And your velocity better have single digit ES and SD. A .338 Edge pushing a 300 Hybrid @ 2900 is going to have far less drift at 1300 yards. That same 5mph 90° full value wind only pushes the bullet 29" vs 47" with the 6.5mm 140. And at 3mph, only 13". So about half what the 6.5 140 drifts. That is a huge difference. Just because a bullet has a high BC, a lighter bullet is still going to drift more than a heavy high BC bullet. Takes more force to move the higher mass. Making a .338LM a much better ELR candidate than a 6.5CM. The 6.5CM definitely ups your wind reading game though, and far cheaper to shoot for practice.

Baby quail are striped. Darn Eurasians are invading everything I guess.

I remember you posted that somewhere before. Amazing photo. They can flat move when they need to.

Every rifle I own wears a Seekins 20MOA Picatinny rail and Seekins rings (except my rimfires). Makes swapping scopes simple when I get the urge or the need.

I have had a couple come across my phone from buddies. But not mine to share. Nothing monstrous yet, but some nice mature bulls hitting the dirt.

I have some you can borrow....

Reload your own.

I still bowhunt. But the reason I do not do it as much, is I spend a lot of time hunting with family now, and none of them want to hunt as hard as I used to. Last archery buck I killed was 2013. But I had a rifle deer in 2012, 2014, and had deer hunts with Taylor in 2015 & 2016, and at least 1 elk hunt in the family for the past 6 years I concentrated on. Last year I spent a ton of time scouting for my long awaited elk hunt, but carried my bow around during the early, and late archery deer seasons a lot. Almost shot a couple different bucks while I was working across the state in December.

Only when it is very dry. Not when it has been raining.

I used to shoot 300-500 arrows a week. Then the political side of competitive archery really chapped my butt with the cheating that went on in an "honor system" sport where 70% of the top competitors have no honor. And if you get paired with them and are not in their clique, you get screwed whether you beat them or not, and then get accused of cheating by them when you don't shoot with them. Even with honest competitors vouching for you.

In my personal opinion, I like a bit more bullet for elk/bison. But a 6.5SAUM is amazing for everything else. From coyotes to sheep, coues to mulies, Javis to antelope, lions to bears. Lighter recoil, flat, fast, accurate, high BC 130-160gr bullets. I think a .280AI or 7RM range is about as perfect of an all-around gun as you can get for AZ game. The heavier 160-184 bullets put those in the elk range. Again, just my opinion. I know a few guys who have killed elk with 6 5s of all kinds.

In some aspects, I am a 10. In others, a 5. So that makes me a solid 7.5.

For pre-hunt photos, the best attractant is a tag in your safe. But once season gets close and opens and you remove the tag from the safe and transfer it to your wallet, it quickly turns into a repellent.

I have found arrow stubs w. broadheads totally encased in scar tissue through vitals in bulls before. Amazing they can survive that amount of trauma. I also shot a deer a long time ago. Shot was way too far back. I knew it, so we let the deer lay up overnight. The next morning, found that buck 100 yards stone dead. Not a drop of blood on the outside, but broadhead had cut the femoral artery on the offside in the body cavity. It bled out inside quickly.

Angora Goat Billy @ 56 yards and Black Hawaiian Ram @ 86 yards.

I think so. Sounds right. It is around Perris, CA. That photo was taken about 14-15 years ago. We had 6" of rain the first day, 8" the second day. CA was having huge mudslides all over the state.

My father-in-law used to tell everyone he pulled 140# during archery season. Then he would point at me and say, "I pull his scrawny butt all over the place". I miss that guy every day.

I took my pronghorn to SW Wildlife on Stanley's recommendation. After seeing this, I think I made the right choice.

When Paige (my older daughter who was a 3 time AZ state 3D champion including the Triple Crown in her age groups) was 12, she took a cow elk with her bow. 40# limbs, but with her draw length, it was a 38# bow. Cut on contact broadheads on light carbon arrows, the arrow was almost a complete passthrough @ 22 yards. Arrow held in by the fletchings when the cow took off. Double lung, no ribs. Cow went 30 yards. Also took a sheep @ 56 yards with the same setup. That was a crazy hunt.

There already is....

Yay! More laws....that people will blatantly break and get away with.

Admitting you have a problem means you want help....I never said I wanted help to stop. RBA (Rifle Builders Anonymous) is for quitters. My Dad taught me to never give up and don't be a quitter..... And...."Hi pot, I am kettle...your black" ring any bells? 😂