lancetkenyon

I wonder how many guys scrolled back up to take another look....besides me.

And.....there you go. Stomp nailed it.

First, post a bunch of photos here. Lots of gun knowledgeable guys on the site. Second, where do you live? Helps in narrowing down an area.

I have owned several Toyotas (Tacomas and 4Runners) and we have quite a few in our work fleet as well (Tacomas, 4Runners, Tundras). I love them. We had a couple Nissan Frontiers as well. In my opinion, they are like apples and oranges. I MUCH prefer the Toyotas. And you can fit a decent sized bull in a 4Runner too.

If you want to step up to a .277", go ahead and build a 27 Nosler and run the 170 Elite Hunter. Quit pussyfooting around and wring out the .277. The .277" 140gr @ 3100 is surpassed right off the bat by a .264" 140gr @ 3100. BC, SD both mean more energy on target, flatter trajectory, less drift, higher retained velocity, and better penetration. Put either of those bullets where they need to go, and game will die.

I am beta testing them for Rich. Impressed so far.

Speed doesn't matter for a hunting rifle.... All 6.5s are virtually the same..... 6.5x45 vs. 6.5-.300 Weatherby.... And finally....

921 yards 921 yards, different rifle, 5 shots 800 yards 4 different loads @ 608 yards 10 shots @ 400

My goal is to NOT hit one with my truck while driving. Since no one in my family has a tag this year.

A TV is cheap compared to a lot of stuff I broke as a kid. It sucks, but kids break stuff. Buy the kids a new 60" TV for Christmas that goes in the living room. Tell them Santa brought it for you to replace the one they broke.

I just let a 9 year old kid take a couple shots w. My 6.5SS pushing a 150 SMK @ 3100. No problem. Shot quite well at 200 yards.

Even past experience...from like 4 years ago....or six....

At 15, that is understandable. But, and I could be mistaken, I bet MOST adult hunters pay attention to the projected forecast, and are usually somewhat prepared. I have been on the 15 side of this too. Also, the weather service and technology are far more accurate today. A "freak" storm is rare if you pay attention to those reports and your surroundings. I have had very fast moving storms roll in, no doubt about it. But I knew there was a chance, so I was prepared. Just got here way faster than expected. I have even had reports that rain would hit by noon, and at 10AM, not a cloud in the sky. Sure enough, it was pouring by noon. "Cotton kills" if you are unprepared with proper outer wear/base layers or a lack of respect for Mother Nature. Stupidity (or inexperience/ignorance) kills just as fast as cotton, if not faster. Not saying anyone is stupid, so don't even start.

To a certain extent. But, I have guns that will shoot in the .2-.3s, every time I get behind it. Every time. On range trips, I have had those guns, and been shooting .2s. Shoot another gun....and had 4" groups at 100 yards. That is not "the shooter". That is a bad load in a rifle. My customs, even with factory loads (in rifles I have chambered with a cartridge that HAS factory loads available), will still shoot sub-MOA with most of them. But not all.

My vice is shooting and guns. So I spend accordingly. I have some cheap guns that shoot well. They are mainly reserved for loaners. But customs are where I reach when I go shooting or hunting. Smoother actions, built how I want them built, in chamberings I wanted. Look how I want. Triggers that I want. Twist rates that I want. Features that I want. Have scopes that I want. I want my rifles to shoot the bullets that I want. I want those bullets to go where I want them to as far as possible. Cheap guns can get you there. But the difference is like the following: Ford Fiesta or Ford GT? 1970 Datsun or Ford F250 Super Duty crew cab 4x4 diesel? 1 man tent or 35' 5th wheel? Mtn bike or Polaris Ranger? Schlitz Malt Liquor or a fine wine? Singlewide trailer or the mansion on the hill? Tasco or Tangent Theta? Bologna sammich on Wonderbread or 2" thick USDA Prime ribeye? Inner tube or 22' Ranger? Call it vanity, call it wanting the finer things in life, call it blowing your money. Potato, potato. We all have our voices in life. We all have that itch we need to scratch.

I think IA Born is a biologist that works with AZGFD? He is very passionate about this subject. I went to a shoot put on by the AZGFD & The Peregrine Fund, and it was informative. http://www.coueswhitetail.com/forums/topic/67198-azgfd-ammunition-testing-event-today/?hl=%2Bperegrine+%2Bfund

I have some old ones of my older daughter, and some others from both my daughters and my nephew. My nephew's first ever dove. About an hour of slaying doves with my two girls Taylor's first ever dove My older daughter, Paige, and I on a goat hunt. It rained 6" this day. Was miserable, and dangerous with mudslides. But we had a blast. Paige with her first elk Varmint hunting The ONLY fish we caught that day....and Taylor gets a 4.5#er.

Most anything in the .223, .243, .257, .264, .277, .284, .308, .338 family. That should about cover it. In all seriousness, anything from a .243 Win to a .300RUM will kill a Coues a long way out as long as YOU can put the bullet into the small vital zone. My only Coues was taken with a 7STW way back when.

Wow. Just wow.

28 Nosler is a 7mm.....on steroids. Pushes a 195 @ 3020-3150fps. Pushes a 180 @ 3080-3200+. Based off the 404 Jeffery case shortened and with 35* shoulder. Beltless magnum, slightly rebated rim. Case length is actually slightly longer @ 2.590" vs. 2.500" for the 7RM. Great round. I am not a gunsmith. I enjoy accuracy and reloading. And I shoot...a lot.

If you need any more, I have about 700 sitting in my reloading desk.

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Either can be pushed to run 3100+. I don't see the SAUM giving up 100fps to the WSM. I have a 6.5SS. The black sheep brother to the 6.5 GAP 4S (SAUM). I can run a hot 150 @ 3150fps when I lean on it. That is my long range load. I am working on a 140 @ about the same to save on some case life though. Mine shoots pretty well too. Only 3 shots though w.150 SMKs.