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thanks Dave, I wasn't that old when we went.

There was a G&F board meeting that I sat in on years ago and one of the board members at the time explained the reason why they can't charge up front. I was mostly going off of memory. Game & Fish has consistently said they can't charge up front due to the AZ banking laws.

Actually, the law is in place and it has nothing to do with AZ G&F. It is more of a banking law where charges can't be made on a card with no services rendered or something similar. Otherwise people could be charging lottery tickets on their credit card and then not pay. This is not the only reason but this is one of the situations that the state was afraid of when they lobbied to have this law put in place. The fix needs to be made at the state legislature and the law needs to be changed. The only people I ever hear question this law are hunters so that is why it really doesn't get much traction for change. G&F just has to comply with the current AZ banking laws. To be more fair, G&F should offer a place to list a 2nd card when applying. Not having funds is one thing but having a card canceled due to fraud and no fault of your own is completely different.

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I have 1 6x6 elk head from 2015 and antlers from other elk I have killed over the years along with one 5 point mule deer antler for sale. Prefer to sale them all together. They are just taking up space in shed. make offer. John 623-680-4458 North Peoria 83rd & Happy Valley rd area

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Going back to my computer programming days the best description of a conversion I ever heard was, It's kind of like changing a tire as the car is moving. I am not making excuses for G&F and have been critical of their IT department for years. I still don't believe many of the people that work there truly understand the draw. This goes for the people at front counter as well. They should have tested everything and fixed any errors long before they ever tried to run this draw. There certainly is an accountability difference between the government sector and private sector.

Dave, Can I get one of those Covid excuses in writing? You never know when it might come in handy.

I've had both shots. No side affects from the first in January. Had high fever and flu like symptoms for 24 hours after the 2nd shot 11 days ago. I'm anti flu vaccine but I did this mostly for the people around me. If the shot kills me, oh well. Better going out now than going out sitting in a wheel chair in some nursing home.

I had to call the manufacturer to get the exact wording. Here is what they told me. It is a stainless steel with Armor Alloy coating. I was told the Armor alloy is similar to what we call Cerakote today. The gun was made in 1987 and they only made this model from 1985-89. I have owned the gun for aprox 30 years and shot less than 200 rounds through either barrel.

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There is a 10X10 kodiak canvas tent that was just listed here in the classifieds for a very fair price. I have one and they are great tents.

Good. It wasn't just me.

You need to change the Arizona banking laws if you want to charge up front. Each state has different banking laws and that is why some states can get away with it. This is not an G&F issue.

I'm still staying positive but I will be honest, Bob's post doesn't make me feel warm & fuzzy inside.

I agree, the Happening has been around for something like 40 years but they don't do a very good job promoting it. At one time, I know it was the biggest 3d shoot west of the Mississippi. Still a few hundred shooters every time I have gone but not nearly as big as it was when they had the BIG circus tent.

This is the same weekend as the Bowhunter Happening put on by the Arizona Bowhunters Association at Mormon Lake. Even though this hike to hunt looks pretty cool, I would rather support the non-profit association that advocates for Bowhunters and bowhunting in AZ. Too bad they are the same weekend.

People just need to relax and we will all get through this. I promise.

Even if the success rate is about the same percentage as 20 years ago, a lot more deer are being taken in OTC hunts. Way more NR hunters & resident bowhunters today than 20 years ago and we have considerably fewer deer today than 20-30 years ago. Especially mule deer. Personally, I believe the success rate is at least twice that amount especially for NR's. Most NR's that come here are more dedicated to their hunt and hunt for a longer period of time. Most the residents I know that bowhunt during winter only go out one or two weekends a year, if that. I still remember the very first non-resident hunter I ever met in AZ. It was 1996 in unit 6a during archery elk hunt. He was hunting by himself, just killed a cow elk and was gutting it. I thought is was odd that someone would come all that far just to hunt cow elk.

By the way, I support the department 100% for the delay if they are trying to make sure this is an honest and accurate draw process. This is not a good time just to say "close enough". So if they are reading my comments, please take your time and get it right the first time. then send me an elk & antelope tag