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My dog is trying to find a spot to pop. Lol.

Any snow reports from camp verde? Headed there tomorrow morning.

Show low a few minutes ago.

Now that's impressive!!

Yes, hands down the RUM. I've considered building either a 300 rum or a 30-378 wby mag as my next rifle. I want to start playing with ELR.

You are correct. All I was trying to point out, is that a 7 rem mag will at some point surpass the win mag in drops and wind drift. I was incorrect at the distance the 7 mag would exceed the win mag (in some cases), but not in every situation. With my personal experience, I could only run the win mag up to 2750 fps with most of the heavy bullets, and I could run the 7 mag at 2900-2950 fps. In that situation, the 7 mag did pass my win mag around the 500-600 yard area. I should have been more clear with my wording. The win mag hits harder, and carries more momentum. Truth. Both have their ups and downs. For me personally, the 7 rem mag is better. I can hunt up to 1000 yards comfortably, and I can punch steel and paper (while remaining above the speed of sound) out to 1500 yards. The 7 mag is flatter and has less wind drift (with my setup), at 1500 yards which makes my shooting more accurate (more predictable). It's also more efficient. It uses less powder, has less recoil, and costs less to reload for. For me it was the right choice.

Why is it so funny? Facts are facts. I don't make the bullets, or the ballistic calculators. I've personally tested the 300 win mag side by side with a 7mm Rem Mag. I have experience with the Berger 230 Hybrid, the Berger 195 EOL, the Hornady 180 ELDM, and the Hornady 225 ELDM (plus a lot more lighter bullets). My actual drops showed exactly what I'm claiming. The only issue I found, was that I could never safely reach 2900 fps consistently with the win mag. I could reach or exceed 2900 fps with the 7 rem mag with every bullet I tested. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the 300 win mag though, because I've read where others have reached 2900-3000 fps with their win mags and the heavies. Berger Lists the 230gr Hybrid as their highest bc bullet for the .308 family, of .717 Berger lists the 195gr EOL as their highest bc bullet for the .284 family, of .755 Hornady lists the 225 ELDM as their highest bc bullet for the .308 family, of .777 Hornady lists the 180 ELDM as their highest bc bullet for the .284 family, of .796 Nosler lists the 210 RDF as their highest bc bullet for the .308 family, of .701 Nosler lists the 180 RDF as their highest bc bullet for the .284 family, of .719 Run these through a ballistic program and see for yourself. Run both the 7 rem mag and the 300 win mag at 2900 fps @ the muzzle. Both are capable of these speeds, more or less. But both are realistic numbers. The 7mm will win in MOST cases. The only bullet that I can find that will beat the 7mm, is the 230 gr SMK with a bc of .800. I did make a mistake of saying that the 7mm would carry more energy in my first post on this subject. That is false. The 300 win mag will carry more energy. Title: Berger 230 Hybrid .308 http://bergerbullets.com/product/30-cal-230-gr-hybrid-otm-tactical/ Max Distance: 1500 Ballistics Coefficient: .717 Wind Speed: 10 Increment: 100 Muzzle Velocity: 2900 Wind Angle: 90 Zero Range: 100 Weight(grains): 230 Altitude: 0 Sight Height: 1.5 Drag Function: G1 Pressure: 29.53 Incline Angle: 0 Temperature: 59 Humidity: 78 Yards Velocity (FT/S) Elevation (MOA) Windage (MOA) Time Of Flight Energy (FT-LB) 0 2900 0 0 0.00 4294 100 2769 0 0.4 0.11 3915 200 2642 1.5 0.8 0.22 3564 300 2518 3.5 1.3 0.33 3237 400 2398 5.9 1.7 0.46 2936 500 2281 8.4 2.2 0.58 2657 600 2167 11.2 2.7 0.72 2398 700 2057 14.2 3.3 0.86 2161 800 1950 17.4 3.8 1.01 1942 900 1846 20.9 4.4 1.17 1740 1000 1746 24.7 5.1 1.34 1557 1100 1651 28.7 5.7 1.51 1392 1200 1560 33.1 6.4 1.70 1243 1300 1473 37.9 7.1 1.90 1108 1400 1393 43.1 7.9 2.11 991 1500 1318 48.8 8.7 2.33 887 Title: Berger 195 EOL 7mm http://bergerbullets.com/product/7-mm-195-gr-eol-elite-hunter/ Max Distance: 1500 Ballistics Coefficient: .755 Wind Speed: 10 Increment: 100 Muzzle Velocity: 2900 Wind Angle: 90 Zero Range: 100 Weight(grains): 195 Altitude: 0 Sight Height: 1.5 Drag Function: G1 Pressure: 29.53 Incline Angle: 0 Temperature: 59 Humidity: 78 Yards Velocity (FT/S) Elevation (MOA) Windage (MOA) Time Of Flight Energy (FT-LB) 0 2900 0 0 0.00 3641 100 2775 0 0.4 0.11 3334 200 2655 1.4 0.8 0.22 3052 300 2537 3.5 1.2 0.33 2786 400 2422 5.8 1.7 0.45 2540 500 2310 8.3 2.1 0.58 2310 600 2201 11.1 2.6 0.71 2097 700 2095 14 3.1 0.85 1900 800 1992 17.1 3.6 1.00 1718 900 1892 20.5 4.2 1.15 1550 1000 1796 24.1 4.7 1.32 1396 1100 1703 28 5.4 1.49 1256 1200 1614 32.2 6 1.67 1128 1300 1529 36.8 6.7 1.86 1012 1400 1449 41.7 7.4 2.06 909 1500 1374 47 8.1 2.27 817 Title: Hornady 225 ELD Match .308 https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/#!/ Max Distance: 1500 Ballistics Coefficient: .777 Wind Speed: 10 Increment: 100 Muzzle Velocity: 2900 Wind Angle: 90 Zero Range: 100 Weight(grains): 225 Altitude: 0 Sight Height: 1.5 Drag Function: G1 Pressure: 29.53 Incline Angle: 0 Temperature: 59 Humidity: 78 Yards Velocity (FT/S) Elevation (MOA) Windage (MOA) Time Of Flight Energy (FT-LB) 0 2900 0 0 0.00 4201 100 2779 0 0.4 0.11 3858 200 2661 1.4 0.8 0.22 3537 300 2547 3.5 1.2 0.33 3240 400 2435 5.8 1.6 0.45 2962 500 2326 8.3 2 0.58 2703 600 2220 11 2.5 0.71 2462 700 2116 13.9 3 0.85 2237 800 2015 17 3.5 0.99 2028 900 1918 20.3 4 1.15 1838 1000 1823 23.8 4.6 1.31 1660 1100 1732 27.6 5.2 1.48 1498 1200 1644 31.7 5.8 1.65 1350 1300 1560 36.2 6.4 1.84 1216 1400 1480 40.9 7.1 2.04 1094 1500 1405 46.1 7.8 2.25 986 Title: Hornady 180 ELD Match 7mm https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/#!/ Max Distance: 1500 Ballistics Coefficient: .796 Wind Speed: 10 Increment: 100 Muzzle Velocity: 2900 Wind Angle: 90 Zero Range: 100 Weight(grains): 180 Altitude: 0 Sight Height: 1.5 Drag Function: G1 Pressure: 29.53 Incline Angle: 0 Temperature: 59 Humidity: 78 Yards Velocity (FT/S) Elevation (MOA) Windage (MOA) Time Of Flight Energy (FT-LB) 0 2900 0 0 0.00 3361 100 2782 0 0.4 0.11 3093 200 2667 1.4 0.8 0.22 2842 300 2555 3.5 1.2 0.33 2609 400 2446 5.8 1.6 0.45 2391 500 2339 8.2 2 0.58 2186 600 2235 10.9 2.4 0.71 1996 700 2133 13.8 2.9 0.85 1818 800 2034 16.8 3.4 0.99 1653 900 1938 20.1 3.9 1.14 1501 1000 1845 23.6 4.4 1.30 1360 1100 1755 27.3 5 1.47 1231 1200 1669 31.4 5.6 1.64 1113 1300 1586 35.7 6.2 1.83 1005 1400 1507 40.3 6.9 2.02 908 1500 1432 45.3 7.5 2.22 819 Title: Nosler 210 RDF .308 https://www.nosler.com/rdf-bullet Max Distance: 1500 Ballistics Coefficient: .707 Wind Speed: 10 Increment: 100 Muzzle Velocity: 2900 Wind Angle: 90 Zero Range: 100 Weight(grains): 210 Altitude: 0 Sight Height: 1.5 Drag Function: G1 Pressure: 29.53 Incline Angle: 0 Temperature: 59 Humidity: 78 Yards Velocity (FT/S) Elevation (MOA) Windage (MOA) Time Of Flight Energy (FT-LB) 0 2900 0 0 0.00 3921 100 2766 0 0.4 0.11 3567 200 2636 1.5 0.9 0.22 3239 300 2510 3.5 1.3 0.33 2937 400 2387 5.9 1.8 0.46 2656 500 2268 8.5 2.3 0.59 2398 600 2152 11.3 2.8 0.72 2159 700 2039 14.3 3.4 0.86 1938 800 1930 17.6 4 1.02 1737 900 1825 21.1 4.6 1.18 1553 1000 1724 24.9 5.2 1.34 1386 1100 1627 29.1 5.9 1.52 1234 1200 1536 33.6 6.6 1.71 1100 1300 1449 38.5 7.4 1.92 979 1400 1368 43.8 8.2 2.13 872 1500 1294 49.6 9 2.35 781 Title: Nosler 185 RDF 7mm https://www.nosler.com/rdf-bullet Max Distance: 1500 Ballistics Coefficient: .719 Wind Speed: 10 Increment: 100 Muzzle Velocity: 2900 Wind Angle: 90 Zero Range: 100 Weight(grains): 180 Altitude: 0 Sight Height: 1.5 Drag Function: G1 Pressure: 29.53 Incline Angle: 0 Temperature: 59 Humidity: 78 Yards Velocity (FT/S) Elevation (MOA) Windage (MOA) Time Of Flight Energy (FT-LB) 0 2900 0 0 0.00 3361 100 2769 0 0.4 0.11 3064 200 2643 1.5 0.8 0.22 2791 300 2519 3.5 1.3 0.33 2536 400 2399 5.9 1.7 0.46 2300 500 2283 8.4 2.2 0.58 2083 600 2169 11.2 2.7 0.72 1880 700 2059 14.2 3.3 0.86 1694 800 1952 17.4 3.8 1.01 1523 900 1849 20.9 4.4 1.17 1366 1000 1749 24.6 5 1.33 1222 1100 1654 28.7 5.7 1.51 1093 1200 1563 33.1 6.4 1.70 976 1300 1476 37.9 7.1 1.90 871 1400 1396 43 7.9 2.10 779 1500 1321 48.7 8.7 2.33 697

Of course it's going to snow 2 feet at my house. I have a javelina tag that starts Friday.

I've heard they're banning all AZ coyote tournaments next. I heard that straight from an AZGFD Game Commissioner. They aren't fighting for anything anymore. They're just giving in.

https://www.kshb.com/news/national/abuse-of-force-body-camera-video-shows-man-tased-11-times-by-officers-in-arizona Officer Matt Schneider.

Yes, the 230 smk in a win mag will exceed the 7 mag.

Yep, but beyond that what happens? And you're comparing a 162 to a 200 grain bullet. Get those bullet weights closer together and see what happens. For example. Run a 195 berger eol vs a 210 vld (heaviest hunting bullet sold by berger for each bullet diameter), and see what happens. The 7mm really starts to shine.

Yes. Edit: I might be a little off on where the 7 mag exceeds the win mag, but in most of my testing the 7 mag bested the win mag at 600 yards.

They are very similar cartridges ballistically. Depending on what you want to do with the rifle, they have their ups and downs. In my personal experience, the 7 mag is superior to the 300 win mag in almost every way. The 7 mag holds less powder, and has less recoil. The 7 mag shoots bullets with higher bc's than the 300 win mag, which equates to less drop and wind drift. From 0-500 or 600 yards the 300 win mag will have a slight edge in fps and energy over the 7 mag. However, beyond that the 7 mag exceeds the 300 win mag in both fps and energy. So if you want a sub 500-600 yard rifle the 300 win mag may be better suited for you, if you don't mind the recoil. But if you want to shoot further than 500-600 yards, the 7 mag is the way to go.

That justifies him tazing him in the nuts?

Plus, you DO NOT have to give an officer your id as a passenger. You have to provide him with a legal name, but no id is required.

I'm sure he was, but you can't pull someones pants down and taze them in the balls because of appearances.

It happened in July of 2017. It's obviously made news now, I was just surprised it took this long.

I'd like to know one too, that accepts from individuals. I've used the hub before in show low, but they sucked. And they won't accept from an individual.

Prices shipped? Interested in case trimmer. Thanks.

The 2nd amendment wasn't created so you pussies could go hunting. You go ahead and keep giving your rights away one at a time. See where it gets us.

If it's legal, then it must be ok.

^^^^ This. Point Guard is b.s.! The AZ big game draw is a gamble, and I believe the tag you draw should be too. If you get a dry year you get a dry year. If you get a wet year, you get a wet year. If sh!t happens in your life, so be it. Point creep will happen for sure. The units that are already almost impossible to draw, will be come unobtainable for some. And just wait, they'll probably introduce their new super bonus point b.s. soon too, which will help even more.

Find out WHEN the reversing valve energizes. Then put the T-stat in the opposite mode, and turn the system on. If the system runs without popping the fuse, then you will likely have a bad reversing valve coil. If it blows when just the compressor comes on (and the reversing valve is supposed to be off), then you likely have a bad compressor contactor. It could still possibly be a bad wire, but those are hard to find unless it's a hard short. If it's a hard short, go out to the condensing unit, and check for resistance on each of the t-stat wires to your copper refrigerant lines. Make sure to kill power to the inside unit, and the outside unit first. If you read any resistance to ground (copper refrigerant lines) on any of the t-stat wires, you have found your grounded wire.

Need a wiring diagram. Does your reversing valve energize in cooling or heating? Could be compressor contactor, reversing valve, or shorted wire.