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Remember there are others on this forum that know some of these answers or have the ability to find out. They have become strangely silent.

I could not agree more Allen! I think we all want an organization that we can trust and count on. Has well as one that open to our comments and concerns and does not turn and run.

please do post this info. I guess I should try to attend has well.

I have been to many Mule deer Association meetings. They then Changed there name to ADA. There are a few good people that have the best interest for all sportsmen in mind. I quit going because there was a private agenda. And from what I have seen over the last month it still exist. Chef I love your thoughts and ideas, but I have to say I truly did try at one time and was shut down and excluded from the ADA. Also did any of you go to the last G&F meeting and hear Gilstraps closing comments to the public? If so, I doubt anyone of you would want anything to do with a lobbyist who would make these comments in a public setting.

All I asked is who gave the preliminary report? No big deal, why the secrets? You have made quite a statement in terms of where the ADA stands. It is all a secret and the public does not deserve to know the truth. Yet you expect sportsmen to support you and your group. and you claim to represent us all.

BPJ is there a reason that you won't tell who gave the preliminary overview of the proposed bill? Or are others correct that all involved with this just assume it will all go away if the sportsmen don't know the truth?

The ADA has not taken a stance on the bill. We were given a preliminary overview of what the bill was and what it would accomplish. The board asked for more information and the "devil in the details". Since we did not see the bill prior to the dropping in the state legislature and since there was a response that mandated not moving it forward, there will be no vote on an item that is moot. As far as membership, the ADA is not a member of the AZSFW. We are however a member of the AZSFWC. The purpose of the "C" is to have a forum for sportsmen, meet monthly to discuss items of interest, meet with the AZGFD (They come every month and brief us on what is current) and then review proposals for the spending of the wildlife plate monies. The ADA, the AES, the AAF and the ADBSS have in the past funded the lobbyist efforts of Capitol Consulting (Suzanne Gilstrap). That process will be up for review, pending any decisions as to the future of the AZSFW. Please feel free to ask any more questions. So who gave the preliminary overview of the bill? will we ever be told the answer to this?

at the azgfd meeting on Wed. Norm Freeman said that he had over 200 email that day alone wanting to get rid of that outfit.

I agree 100% with this. If the ADA is to be credible at all they need to clean house.

One thing that I keep noticing is if you look at the board of the different groups, you frequently see the same peoples names. . So what we have then is different organizations with the same agenda, and in some cases a self serving agenda.

Great idea George! I was at the meeting on Wed. and am still in the cooling off period. Looking forward to some good responses from everyone here!

purple hammer. But hammer all the way. Maybe I'm half normal which would be more credit than my family gives me.

http://www.azgfd.gov/inside_azgfd/documents/2012.01.25%20Agenda%20-%20Telephonic%20Mtg.pdf Looking at the agenda for this afternoon it looks like some of this mess may be addressed at the meeting. This could give us some additional insight.

The ADA has not taken a stance on the bill. We were given a preliminary overview of what the bill was and what it would accomplish. The board asked for more information and the "devil in the details". Since we did not see the bill prior to the dropping in the state legislature and since there was a response that mandated not moving it forward, there will be no vote on an item that is moot. As far as membership, the ADA is not a member of the AZSFW. We are however a member of the AZSFWC. The purpose of the "C" is to have a forum for sportsmen, meet monthly to discuss items of interest, meet with the AZGFD (They come every month and brief us on what is current) and then review proposals for the spending of the wildlife plate monies. The ADA, the AES, the AAF and the ADBSS have in the past funded the lobbyist efforts of Capitol Consulting (Suzanne Gilstrap). That process will be up for review, pending any decisions as to the future of the AZSFW. Please feel free to ask any more questions. So who gave the preliminary overview of the bill?

Sounds like the ADA got JACK SQUAT for their $10,000 Or maybe the ADA almost got exactly what it wanted? I'll stand by this idea since BPJ has not really answered any of the real questions asked in these two threads. And now he complains that the ADA could not get names from a former governor. BPJ you have been asked for names multiple times in these two threads and you have not given them either.

it does look like the swacker or the sonoran. But I like that it locks and swivels.

Actually, as I posted before, I haven't decided on this yet. When making a decision about this, I think it's important to get as many facts as possible. I think it's important to hear from lots of hunters, the AGFD commission, other sportsmens groups as well as the people who created this bill. I expect to be attending a meeting next week with the sportsmens groups to discuss this issue. Just wondering if you did in fact attend a meeting on this subject. If so what did you find out. Thanks!

Robbie and George Thanks for getting some facts into this discussion! Has I have mentioned before, I think this whole thing will unite the average sportsman and help them wake up a bit.

I agree 100% with this post. Also young hunters are expected to take hunters ED course. It could be brought up in the class that it's not really ethical to hunt elk with a 30 pound draw weight. When my kids were young they were all pulling 40 pounds, and couldn't wait to raise the weight. Also kids seem to practice a bunch! So they build those drawing muscles quickly.

I think, had the bill been snuck thru the damage would have much worse than what we have now. At least now we may have the opportunity to find out which organizations we should support and trust. I still want to hear the positions on this bill from the different organizations. So far I think only The Arizona Elk Society has come out and stated that they were not for it. And NO, not taking a stance on a defunct bill is not going to cut it. If a group wants to represent AZ sportsmen and women then they need to be up front and honest, no side stepping.

Well said Stanley. I believe you actually took over my spot when I left the Mule deer association many years ago. although there were no youth camps at the time. I left for some of the reasons you have stated but you said it much nicer than I ever would. I also will keep those thoughts to my self.

Sounds like the ADA got JACK SQUAT for their $10,000 Or maybe the ADA almost got exactly what it wanted?

+1 !!!!

Thanks for the info Amanda. The better informed we are, the stronger we are as a group. I think it is important for us all to remember that most of these organizations do in fact help us all. Unfortunately there will always be a few who try to take care of their own interest and think they are above explanation.

My question still is, if AZ Sportsmen for Wildlife group represents all the other groups in AZ, did these groups such as the ADA know about this bill beforehand? Maybe Amanda can shed some light on this. If the other groups did know about it why did know one speak up? If they did not know about it than my impression is that the AZ Sportsmen for Wildlife group are a self serving group, who think they are above everyone else and can try and do what ever they want. If this group puts on the outdoor expo, then I will not be attending.