Crazymonkey

My asking about doe hunts was based off observation and several articles written by several biologists .there are several articles about the benefits.just a look on the web will show them I just looked up the benefits of a balanced deer heard plain and simple .I absolutely get we need doe to provide deer but without enough bucks the doe will not get bread.my questioning some of the respondents was to clarify the issues biased on what is written by several biologists not to defend my thoughts on the subject until people started questioning my abilities and what I might be smoking.I try to look at things as a whole and try to read and learn about things I've got questions about there are always different opinions that's just a fact .we've been killing bucks for as long as I can remember been way to long and the number of bucks isn't getting any better .there are plenty of reasons and very few answers just wondering if a better balance would help that's all .

when people pick on others and ask what there smoking and add comments about hunting skill or other things that's picking fights.we do have units that are managed for quality deer and they do have doe hunts kibab is one there are a few of them .logic would have one figure if we have more doe and less bucks our deer heard is outa balance.from all your comments you would rather have less tags for bucks and that should fix the population .again I'm not a biologist but do read a lot about many subjects and this was one I was reading about and several biologists have stated the need for balance and the benefits

So we go from different views to picking fights.way to have some conversation on some issues .I do see bucks and hunt I'd just like to see a better quality and age class that's all .glad to see we all can be grown-up about things

Like most I'd like to see a few bucks in the mix of things .so if you look at the post from first coues was 80 he has a 1to 1 ratio and if we already have an area with a high doe population and add 50 percent of the next generation it only makes the problem worse. The bucks get hunted and the doe only are subject to predidation and the lop sided ratio never gets any better.

Maybe maybe my logic is wrong.we usually are talking about all the does we see on a hunt after day in the field and a cold beer at the end of the night.

After reading the quote I could help but laugh also and wish we all had that kinda problem to many girls to little time.

The thought is that with so many does in a given unit that a buck would not get around to breading the doe and then we have two and three different cycles of fawns which could drop in times that are not conducive to there survival.that alone would cause a drop in deer population.it is used for places with over population as well as to generate healthy buck to doe ratios in others .maybe we need to lighten the tags on buck hunts and open a few doe if the population is more balanced it leads to a buck breading more does and there for more deer .if the buck can't get to the doe and breeds her later and she has a fawn that dies due to food or climate it still don't help the population that's why most have limited doe hunts

I apply and have hunted in a few different states and have see the benefits.I will hunt what I can when I can .I agree habitat loss and people are a big problem.

Nope absolutely not a biologist are you? I'm just a avarage hunter who has been in several units and seen the large doe population.its done in the mid west to balance the buck to doe ratio and promote better balance.if we constantly take the bucks out by only hunting them we have an balance issue.1 buck can breed many does that are ready but if we have no bucks because we only target them then what? Does won't breed does or maybe in today's times of rainbows and identity issues they might

To cry and cry about not getting a tag is funny .most will put in for hunts and have the same results year after year no tags .that's what happens when hunter # s are up .there are less and less bucks to hunt than there once was and the buck to doe ratio is all outa wack .I can't tell you how many times I've glasses deer up only to find does no bucks.I think we'd do the deer population good if we could target a few units for doe hunts to bring the buck to doe ratio back to a decent number and move from unit to unit every few years or as needed to correct the ratio.then cut back on tag numbers to let the deer grow and get some age .just my 2 cents

After my dad spent for a double bull and lost a opportunity at a elk because of the blind spot in the back .we didn't know he was just behind the blind .he got a blind from cabelas with sliding Windows no zippers and no blind spots.all the way around you can open the thing .don't know what he paid but worth every penny just food for thought .get in as many as you can and set chairs in and see what you think .its been a while since I've been in cabelas it cost to much $$$ but they had quite a few set up

Camofire has them on sale today get them while you can they've been hard to find

Do you have enough help ? Work is getting a little slow and the wife wants to go camping anyhow.I could talk to her and see if she is interested .I'm familiar with the unit and have a sxs to get around .no promises but if you need the help I will definitely ask her and see.

I helped my buddy's granddaughter on her first hunt as she helped me on my muzzleloader hunt the year before .she thought it was a little smelly but she hung in there while we gutted my elk and figured out how we were going to get him outa there .the whole time saying next year its my turn .she shot a cow the next year and a deer in kibab .the following year we were up for the same hunt this time my buddy hunted with his granddaughter and I had my other buddy's nephew .Samantha shot a good cow opening morning at 248 lbs dressed and Trevor got a shot that afternoon and missed so Samantha got to shoot at his hat and missed first time she's ever missed .she did have a crush on Trevor tho.Trevor got a shot the next day and all he wanted to now was if it was bigger than Sam's and it was but I told him no.uncle Joe got there and wrecked my fun and asked why he had to shoot such a big old girl she went 286 and is still the camp record its an absolute blast to go hunt with kids they get so excited I had more fun watching them hunt than I've ever had on my own hunts.

Might need to get you some of them kibab squirrel there huge.

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Looks like fun .cool looking gun and the only black powder that scares me a little with the chance of several cylinders going off.my dad says just use Crisco and it will be fine .its always good to get those little early Christmas 🎁 at the door.

If they get pushed they always seem to be around the 229 and 83 junctions you can also try around 81a it loops to 83 and back to 229

Tend to see some down 81a and on the loop 81a to 83 and out 229 .good luck hunting

Anybody a member at Rio salado range by the lake ? How does the range membership work ? Is it good from they day you sign up for a year or is it calender year.with all the testing its getting expensive to keep paying 15 bucks to shoot and might be better to just become a member

8 and a half hrs at work today and 5 hrs under the jeep changing the oil pump .just need the 24 hrs for the glue to dry and tighten all the pan bolts and fill with oil .then pray it works good .I've got shooting to get back to

Only 48 and been doing it off and on more on for the last 6 years .I'm a machinist and they pay me stupid rediculus money in overtime and double time.its good for at least 50k extra a year .it started when the wife took off before her dad passed so she could care for him .hopefully she will go back to work soon I'd like a break 12 hrs 5 days a week and 9 on Sat and Sun plus all the house and car chores.

Gunbroker has a few at a more reasonable price point

There is also a few on gunbroker under shot gun parts but they don't list a specific modle just pics

It was the only one I could find listed and figured it might be worth a try .that's a pretty old gun .I've got a 16 gauge Mossberg 190 bolt shotgun that pre dates serial # I've not shot yet.ill keep looking there's bound to be one out there.