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6a last year stuck between moo cows and elk cows in the rain at 20 yds 0822201638.mp4

The rancher from bar d or bar v had a salt lick out and it was a stand off as to who it belonged to

Just a friendly fyi the early paramount did not have the threaded barrel and the gun will have a heavy recoil even at 95 gr blackhorn.

I guess I forgot to mention the moo cow is 2 feet in front of us

Anyone have any experience with a contender in 357 harret.what are your thoughts for elk inside 100 yds .here's the gun and bullet info tc contender 10 inch barrel in 357 harret loads are 180 gr xtp with full loads of 4227 . loads crono at 1900 fps .would like to use for a cow hunt and shut down my buddy's who give me shoot for using a 300 win .

For those that don't know what a 357 harret compares to here is a picture of a 44 mag 180gr next to a harret case for camparison

That's right I did see one there a few weeks back it was like 2 grand or so it wasn't there last week when I was there but there moving stuff around and a lot of stuff shows outa stock but its on the shelf .like the nightforce rings I was searching for.I'd definitely call and ask !!!

Awsome my dad has a 357 max I haven't got to shoot it yet as he lives in .ca but he says its stout in the hand .good for you to get your kid out hunting I wish my daughter was into it as I've got many guns and only her to pass them to .I'm also the only son my dad will give any guns to and I've got 3 brothers

There going to be hard to find .I ordered mine last year and it took 8 months to get .don't get there break as its junk and comes apart I got a radial break for mine .try muzzleloaders.com or arrowhead if you still can't find before hunt shoot me a pm and we might be able to work out a loan for her hunt

Its how the bullet is constructed there is info on expansion rates on most bullets at a given volocity .on my muzzy powerbelt has a chart for example that shows what each bullet does with a different charge and some open at lighter charges and others do not I've looked for example on the xtp and couldn't find for that size

Every bullet has a expansion rate its based on volocity at a given distance .I've seen fast shooting bullets such as my 300 win 180 gr pass right thru elk inside of 100 yds last cow ran 80 to 90 yds shot thru shoulder at about90 yds broke the shoulder and took out the top of the heart still ran with not a drop of blood on the ground .yes speed and weight equil energy but most bullets have an applied expantion rate for a set distance if your to close bullet don't open and pass thru to far and bullet hits but bounces off or breaks up.

This is true just watch the boys teaching hunter safety shoot a sand bag with a 44 mag and stop the bullet but shoot a arrow right thru.besides a 22 shot at close range in the right spot will kill about anything. Not so much on energy but placement .

That's more like it .I was looking for info on bullets and construction. Not sure ill use for elk but was looking for input like yours about bullet type and construction .it may be best to use the gun for pigs and deer but if I could get a bullet of good construction and it carries enough energy inside 100 it may be an option.ill look into the barns and see what comes of it .just a gun I got and was told it was a 357 barrel not a 357 harret when I bought it .

Actually the 30-30 is the parent case to each and yes the 30 harret was made first with the smaller case capacity.the 357 harret was made later with the larger case capacity.there are several articles about it being used for elk at modest ranges with a 158gr bullet that's why I'm asking .As for energy at distance its about the same as say a muzzleloader at 100 yds with 100 gr pellets.its not all about energy at a set distance its about shot placement.my 6x6 elk didn't take 1 step before he tipped .the energy is close at around 1000 or so .if energy is the only factor I'd use my 338 win at something like high 3000 plus at 100 .but it's not its about bullet construction and shot placement .look it up there are several articles about elk and even a blue wildebeest taken with the harret.my concern is with the bullet its a pistol bullet and I'm worried it will come apart at those speeds the other option it a lever evolution bullet but don't think I can get enough volocity for correct expantion.with the 158gr volocity is increased and therefore energy comes up but at the cost of bullet weight .there are plenty of contender hunters out there that have this round and hunt with it for deer and pigs and other animals that's what I'm looking for .How the bullet reacts to being pushed that hard will it come apart? Only those who shoot it will know for sure

A little of each from someone who has the gun and knows the round .people are quick to judge on here it seems .only looking for opinions from those who have shot same round as the load books are all over the place and new books under power the round and old books over power .just looking for real world experience not speculation.

I'm not sure if your thinking 357 magnum or if your talking 357 harret . the harret is a cut down 30-30 case blown out to hold a 357 bullet .it has the same energy as a 30-30 only in a smaller more efficient package .most would agree that a 30-30 has killed many a elk at modest ranges with one shot

I wouldn't shoot at an animal at that kind of range to many variables and not what I would think is ethical shooting. Most of our shots at elk are between 100 and 200 and I've always tried to make clean 1 shot kills.I've got many rifles large and small . Don't want to hit and wound or make a animal suffer .the gun came with the barrel and all I've read says its rated for elk .most people haven't heard of the caliber so I'm asking for info from those who actually shoot the cartridge.

Glock 20sf 10mm or ruger redhawk 4.2 44mag

I'd have to agree with the seller left handed guns generally cost more due to the limited runs and cost to do so.your all looking at stock right handed guns its like comparing apples to oranges

Sportsmans had some on the shelf .so you might be a little high on price its only like 48bucks

First turkey hunt in 6a went to the draw my buddy shot his elk during the muzzy hunt and had just shut off the sxs and hit the call and got a gobble.went down the draw and set up a decoy and hit the call and the bird sounds like its on its way.called again and sounds like he's moving away so picked up the decoy and hit call one more time and in comes a bear .boy that's a wake up for sure I had him at 20 yds and he didn't care about noise or anything .so slowly backed out .what a thrill a turkey gobble and a bear on your first try.I didn't shoot a bird but I'm hooked for sure

I was shooting 105gr blackhorn .then added a break it helped .haven't shot it out to the limits but that's a chunk of lead and drift might be a big problem

I know this is old.but I've got a paramount pro in 45cal topped with a nightforce 4.5x14x50shv f1 scope.used for the muzzy elk hunt in 6a.the gun kicks like a mule with the 105gr by weight of bh209.got a radial break for it and shot a few rounds after the hunt and it seems to tame it down .haven't had time to check poi shift yet and the increase in max powder to 160gr by volume or 112 gr by weight .but I'd be willing to let you give it a try if your out at usery and it works.if you read all the info its a 500 yd killing machine.pm me if you interested .I've gotta get out to dial in a 7-08 for .ca pig hunt in nov

Looking for 1 pound r17 to load for a 7-08 thanks

Looks like some powder is pending pickup thanks to all.