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Flagstaff,Here is the data from the 2007 draw for unit 7 antelope.
#BP, #applicants 1st&2ndchoice, #drawn, %
0, 1276, 0, 0
1, 1247, 2, .16
2, 876, 4, .46
3, 761, 4, 6, .53
4, 519, 6, 1.16
5, 509, 5, .98
6, 529, 1, .19
7, 414, 1, .24
8, 347, 0, 0
9, 329, 3, .91
10, 261, 4, 1.53
11, 219, 4, 1.83
12, 221, 3, 1.36
13, 192, 2, 1.04
14, 118, 0, 0
15, 118, 8, 6.78
16, 69, 4, 5.80
17, 61, 12, 19.67
18, 5, 2, 40.0
As seen, the chance of getting drawn is not great until one is near the 20% pass group. Only 12 of the 61 in your BP group were drawn last year, so there are still many more left than the 14 permits allocated in the 20% pass this year.
There were 4,339 first choice applicants for 65 permits. Not enough critters to make every applicant successful last year (or for many years to come if you do the math).
I appreciate the info, RR. Still, with each of us having a 20% draw rate last year, and at least that this year, and whatever smallish chance we had the preceding years, that neither one of us applying on seperate applications for the last almost 30 years and can't get drawn is hard to swallow. Being the two of us, we should be doubling our individual draw rates. Looking at the probability, it should have happend for one of us by now. But with the luck I/we have, it is about par for the course. I dread that we may both will be drawn next year. That would be my luck too. I would prefer spreading it out because just going (even if you are the spotter and not the shotter) is the best part.
I understand the probability and math involved, but it is hard to explain to yourself sitting on this side of things. I promise you, it makes you doubt the system.
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They say it does
, but all I can tell you from my personal experience which is my brother and I each had 18 points heading into the antelope draw for Unit 7 this year- neither one of us were drawn. Yet last year, we both put in for Unit 7, and a 14 year old kid we know put in for the same Unit with with only his hunter safety course bonus point - the kid was drawn. At least we helped him get a really nice buck (which was fun), but it was a jagged pill to swallow to wonder how we are unable to get drawn - we have been applying since the late 1970's and have yet to be drawn for antelope 
. Does it work? Well, somebody is going to have to explain it to me REALLY SLOW - A COUPLE TIMES to get me to believe it does
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Didn't get drawn for elk or antelope. My brother an I each had 18 points heading into the draw for antelope - we put in for Unit 7 on different applications to double our chances one of us were gonna get drawn - neither application were drawn. I was so confident one of us were going to - I have already been out a couple times and found the buck I had been watching for 2 years now - making sure he survived this past winter. Guess I jinxed myself......
Congrats to all of you who were drawn.
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yeehaaawww, thppppppppppppp, i got a pronghorn tag, and you-ooo-ooo didn't, nanner, nanner, nanner. any of you losers get anything? Lark. -
I always heard they were more closely related to rodents than swine.
I don't hunt them anymore - had to choke them down with a lot of beer (but then, maybe I need to start hunting them again!!!!!)
I recent saw some up in Unit 9 very near the South Rim - it shocked me to know they have migrated that far north.
About 25 years ago while motoring in a boat across Apache Lake, a buddy and I encountered 2 javalina swimming in the middle of the lake. The only thing we came up with why they would be doing that is it was "boys night out" on the other side of the lake and they were tired of being yelled at at home.
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According to Jim Heffelfinger (aN AZ Fish and Game employee who is noted as a deer expert and wrote a book about deer), he says "Coues shed their antlers late April throughMay with the peak around May 7th."
Bucks have a home area and don't migrate - they'll be in the same general area all year
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Hello all crazy desert dwelling whitetail fanatics!! My 1st post:I am from Colorado and have lived in Safford/Thatcher (SE AZ) for the last 18 months, it has been an adjustment but getting out to hunt helps.
Well last fall I drew a whitetail tag in unit 31 for the late october hunt and scouted a decent spot that was consistant. I blew it opening morning by spooking 2 nice bucks and spent the next 4 days of hunting and cussing the hot AZ weather. I only saw a few more deer over the remainder of the season and went home empty handed.
Oh well that is hunting and there is always next year!
Wait you all have a bow season that is split up and the 'late' bow season just might be worth it. So I bought a tag (s) and a friend let me in on his honey hole and I hunted the same spot from a few days before Christmas to the end of the season (Jan. 31, 2008). I figure I put in close to 25 days (outings-either a morning or evening hunt or both as I live in Safford and the spot is less than 30 minutes away) and I SAW DEER EVERY TIME I WENT OUT! Granted it may have been only a few does a few times but since bucks were rutty from my 1st outing to about Jan. 20-23 I saw groups of deer most of the time. This place was consistant to say the least!!!
During the bowhunt I glassed more than I have ever glassed before and started to pick out the tiny deer better in the mesquite, prickly pear, long grass, catclaw, ocotillo, and occasional juniper (lol- to name a few of the pokey plants around here!). Occasionally I would make a stalk when I thought it would work (it didnt) but most of the time I would GLASS. One day I had a buck following a doe below me (only 50-60 yards!) and watched them until they bedded, made a stalk, spooked them and missed THE shot (the buck briefly stopped giving me a shot).
I am always looking for sheds and have not found a single antler during my hunts which perplexes me. At the end of the archery hunt I had a tough time finding bucks and was puzzled as to where they went.
So here are my questions for the experts here ( I consider you all experts because I am new to coues and have one season under my belt):
-----I assume coues (as well as the mulies) are shedding as we speak, in this part of the state, right?
----- If not, when?
-----Do the bucks go solo or bachelor group back up after the rut?
-----are the bucks in the roughest/thickest part of their little homerange or do they move?
------if they move, how far do they go from where they would have been chasing does a few months prior?
-----how much shedding pressure is there in the Safford/MT Graham area ( I imagine only a few will be able to answer that question)?
-----thanks!!! I havent given up on hunting whitetail in case ant of you are wondering!
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You might consider the Zeiss 85MM Diascope. 3.5" shorter, 6 oz. lighter, 6% brighter, about $600 cheaper (new from Cabelas), and I thought every bit as good as the Swarovski 80HD. I thought digiscoping was easier with the Zeiss too (I liked their flip up camera adapter) if that is a consideration. Digiscoping opens up a whole new opportunity to get into the hills too!
That being said, if you are commited to the Swarovski, go to the 80MM rather than the 65MM. You will be glad you did all things considered.
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My daughter found a chard with holes in it like that on our property up here in Flagstaff (we have LOTS of chards on the property). We don't have Anasasi, but Sinagua (or so I'm told). When she asked, I couldn't explain what the holes were for. Any ideas???