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  1. Starline 357mag brass new... 50 bucks... If it doesn't help you buying brass because you don't have the other components I'd add a complete package of... 2 boxes of 100 HNDY XTP 125gr(200 total), 200 SPM primers, 1lb of W296 for stout loads at 1900fps 'or' 1lb of HS6 for a more factory ammo duplicate of 1500fps. for 165.00 I could even add 200 Xtreme plated 125gr bullets and primers for a total of 220.00 to bring the cost per round down, reloading the brass twice. East Mesa, 202/Recker/McDowell area Pm or Text 480 292 4554... if you want to call, text first as I don't answer calls I don't recognize. Kent
  2. Sold, Thanks Sonny, be good to see you again. Kent
  3. The issue comes up often... tuning... I'm making this thread because of a classified ad thread and I feel bad enough hyjacking as much as I did. I'm not trying to be the 'expert', just a fellow hunter passing on hard learned lessons. I have in person helped folks, even members here, find their bows tune. Explaining in writing it is much harder and longer than just having the bow and doing it. First it's not tuning the bow, it's making adjustments for optimal arrow spine on release, which then relates to optimal arrow flight and hitting square on the target for optimal penetration... example, if an arrow is overspined it will fly sideways all the way to the target, hitting sideways and losing penetration... think of an overspined arrow as a small car pulling a big trailer, going down hill the trailer tries to pass the small car getting sideways, the car doesn't weigh enough to keep the trailer straight or pull it straight without more speed. In my experience and therefore opinion, overspine is worse for hunting and much more prone to wounding. A friend of mine that ran dogs for bear and lion and had in the past guided rifle elk hunts, was an experienced hunter. He decided to put in for archery elk and was drawn. He asked me to call for him, plus I knew the area well. He had a new Drenalin and could shoot it well at 60 yards in camp, standing in perfect form, sometimes he'd have a flyer to the right, but if his form was perfect he shot fine... but seldom are we able to stand in perfect form to shoot at animals, plus add the mental stress of shooting at one. If your arrow isn't tuned to fly straight at any angle or position on release it could be a disaster or outright miss. He had multiple opportunities at big bulls, one morning there were bulls screaming at each other just over a rise, I stayed back and called to the side to cover my buddy sneaking over for a shot. He comes back soon and the bulls are still right there screaming, I raise my hands up in a question on why he came back, he raises his bow and I realize he has no arrows left, he missed with every shot. Eventually he shoots a bull but in the front shoulder, is disgusted with himself and quits hunting. Though I had been archery hunting since '84, killed 7 deer and 5 elk, thought I had put aside all the BS that is written by supposed experts and wannabe's, I truly didn't know what happens when the string is released. I was on a quest of understanding in simple terms. So here it is, take it or leave it. You are not tuning a bow you are tuning an arrow. There is an optimal flight for whatever arrow you nock and shoot. Every arrow flexes on release so there is an optimal flex, if you shot a concrete arrow it would flex some. With a finger bow it's side to side and needed to clear the riser, archer's paradox. With a compound and release it is up and down. Like barrel harmonics and arrow has harmonic nodes, on a gun shot the node will travel the barrel a couple times and you want the bullet leaving the muzzle when it's the calmest. I started watching super slow motion arrow videos, on release the arrow would flex and jump a couple times before it left the rest. On a compound the middle will hump up, front and back go down, then reverse, porpoising across the riser and down range, settling down. Ultimately you would want to have the arrow at level when the flechings passed the rest... this would have been much more important in the old days when we used prong rests and such. There is no such thing as a dead straight arrow on release. Imagine there is a rock and you have a stick and you want to roll the rock with the stick. When you push on the stick to get the rock rolling it will bend until the rock rolls and as the rock gets speed the stick will bend less to keep it going... spine. Now how much it bends depends on the thickness of the stick, how long or short it is, what size rock it is pushing and how hard you push. If the stick is to thin and/or long it could break on a large rock... underspine. Underspined arrows generally stay straight at the target but are jumping up and down, often folks would say, my arrows group better farther out, well they had settled down by then. You would have to be fairly underspined to see a problem on target... the energy from the sting on the arrow at full rest during launch is violent. There was a really good video on an overspined arrow at release over 10 years ago but I can't find it now. On release the front didn't cause enough resistance and weight to stay ahead of the back, it left the rest nock left, head right as the torque of the string even with a release forced it that way, the front could never pull it straight and it hit the target a bit sideways. Sometimes pins were set at an angle in the sight to chase the drift. But no matter what they had to lose penetration, and if on an animal the excitement or improvised shooting form would enhance the issue of drift. One other thing before I quit the Blah Blah Blah. A guy buys a bow, has it setup at a lower poundage to start, bow shoots good but hey let's up or max the poundage... just changed spine... can't get the arrows to shoot as well now. If you are in tune and then change one of the 3 spines issues you have to change another. I'm guilty of buying different arrows but that is the most expensive chase there is, changing field tip weight is the easiest way to change spine while testing. Paper testing in my opinion is a waste of time, with the arrowing flexing in flight I just have to move forward or backwards until the arrow isn't in a flex when passing through. It can tell you if you are overspined but so will a walkback of a couple shots after you centered the rest as much as possible and still get a drift. Some of the worst tuned bows I've had to retune were paper tuned professionally. Bare shaft tune... first eyeball center and level while on the rest. Cut the vanes off 1 or 2 arrows, I like 2, use a field tip not a broadhead. first shots should be at close range, maybe 10/15 yards. Keep you eyes open to try and see arrow flight/nock. Do not be surprised to see your arrow sideways and miss the target, shoot in a safe place. It's going to be harder to see the arrow fight at close range but you should see the nock to shaft if it's really bad. Use the closest pin only, after rest adjustments you may need to adjust that pin to keep it on the target, or just aim left or right whichever to compensate. Go back to 20 then 30yds, I fine tune a 30. At each level adjust your sight right or left, up and down small increments at a time. I'm looking for arrow flight, pretty soon it will just pencil down there to the naked eye, bare shaft, no fletchings to straighten it out. I like 2 or 3 bareshaft arrows to get a group, usually they will group well at 30 in a few minutes of tuning. Shoot fletched arrows in a walkback or at 40 and 50, fine tune if needed. If you string vertically at longer ranges you may need to barely adjust the level of the arrow, if it drifts horizontally on the 20 pin at longer ranges it could be overspined. I probably left something out but have to go fishing at Roosy soon. Kent
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    Bare shaft tune

    Well as usual the wife outfished me... got up there just after 4 and she went on a 4 fish tear, I finally caught a couple and the winds came up bad and the lake turned into an ocean. Every boat out there idled in and loaded boats in the rollers... always an adventure. Kent
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    Bare shaft tune

    It is long, the back story is, the bare shaft part is short. I learned on 24hour that I end up having to explain it all and why anyway if I left it out. lol Kent
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    FS: 16 Gold Tip Hunter XTs 340 $110: SOLD

    Ok thread in archery... Kent
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    FS: 16 Gold Tip Hunter XTs 340 $110: SOLD

    Yes, it would be best if we charted right in the middle range of an specific arrow. You are right on the edge of both, so with the 340 an 85gr will stiffen it up but a 125gr will weaken it... the 300 you can go 125gr if it's to stiff but shouldn't go 85gr. Mostly we hunt with 100s or 125s and not 85s so the 300s may well work better. But depending on how old your bow is and if it's lost a bit of ummpf... the 340s very well may be the better arrow with 100s. I just wouldn't give them up until I tuned the bow and knew for sure. Kent
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    FS: 16 Gold Tip Hunter XTs 340 $110: SOLD

    Ok, Last time I wrote it up was on 24hourcampfire, I'll try and find it or rewrite it... takes longer to write it than actually tune a bow... I'll put it in the archery section. Kent
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    FS: 16 Gold Tip Hunter XTs 340 $110: SOLD

    GT 340, 29.25, 100gr tip, standard GT insert, blazer vanes... the arrow is cut and dried. The three factors of spine are arrow choice and then length cut, head weight and then energy down the shaft(poundage). Regardless an arrow shooting right from a compound and release is not an indicator of underspine, I would hope if I was making a decision off of incorrect info someone would point it out. If the OP would like me to I'd explain bareshaft tuning in a PM or here, otherwise I'll step away. Kent
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    FS: 16 Gold Tip Hunter XTs 340 $110: SOLD

    I read your link, that's for finger bows. Bare shaft for compounds is different. Kent
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    FS: 16 Gold Tip Hunter XTs 340 $110: SOLD

    I do not wish to side track your thread, but you are right on the line of the 340 and 300 depending if you are 69lbs or 70lbs. Either arrow should work. An underspined arrow jumps up and down but stays basically straight, an overspined arrow starts sideways and can't correct itself, stays sideways. When bare shaft tuning you are adjusting the rest first for left and right and then up and down. If you can't get groups at 30 yards bare shaft adjusting the rest, then you have a spine issue. If you are just comparing a bare shaft to a fletched one with the same rest setup and it's not the same poi, that tells you the rest isn't correctly adjusted. Kent
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    FS: 16 Gold Tip Hunter XTs 340 $110: SOLD

    What's your poundage and draw length? shooting right is an indication of center shot adjustment or if spine more that you are overspined if right handed. Kent
  13. All powder sold pending funds. Kent
  14. Will trade 2lbs of new H4895 for 1500 SRPs, or 1000 SRP and 40 bucks, or powder and cash for more primers. I have an older 8lbs of H4350, still sealed unopened, I keep my powder in those big styrofoam frozen meat shipping boxes and that's where it's been. I think it's from 2007ish... 260.00 NE Mesa 202/Recker/McDowell/Mckellips area Kent 480 292 4554... PM, text or text first if you want to call so I can recognize your number. All powder sold pending funds
  15. I saw about every other hodgdon powder for sale intermittently except 4895, maybe it's still the military staple and it just wasn't available to the public for awhile. It's the best powder for a couple of my guns and I had under 1 lb left. Finally found enough if someone really needs some it's offered. Kent
  16. If I sold it I'd have to admit how much I paid for it in a knee jerk decision after looking for 8 months... Ok... 117.52 you have first dibs. Kent
  17. Lakes have been closed with an active fire, I don't remember them closing in the context of fire danger closure, which this is. Kent
  18. I don't remember them ever closing the lakes. Kent
  19. Was fishing willow springs yesterday morning, drove out at noon and the road was closed going in since that morning. Ate lunch at Creekside and the FS guys in there eating said Tonto was going to full closure. Woods canyon and Chevelon had already been evacuated. Kent
  20. Guys my generation are trying to retire, but small general contractors doing a few to 20 houses a year won't get a sniff from the big concrete outfits. Guys I've worked for, hunted with, played golf for 40 years... they beg you to keep going. The no work years from 2008 to 2013 killed any retention of young guys getting in this work and most guys already in moved to something else. There just isn't a pool of side jobbers out there. Kent
  21. Unfortunately I'm swamped and turn down 30% of offered jobs from people I know and 100% from those I don't. I don't know anyone that's not hammered and if you try and pass a job off on them they say no. Bad time for folks looking for sidejobers. I had 1 friend job I put off all spring and finally did it a couple weeks ago before it got hot, a back yard patio. When the neighbors saw the concrete truck I was mobbed and had to tell them I don't do backyard jobs, it was for a friend. Tough to see their disappointment... I'm 64 and this is my last year. Kent
  22. 2 1000 box Cheddite 209 primers... 100.00 SPF 4lbs of IMR 4166... 50.00 each. Trades would be small rifle primers, 22-250 brass/dies, for or towards a .22 hand gun. E Mesa, Recker/McDowell/202 area. I'll be in town tomorrow and back next Thursday. Kent 480 292 4554, text or PM... 95% of calls I don't recognize are robo so I won't answer unless I get a text first.
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