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The failures of Weiers and AZFSW are their own fault and has nothing to do with 'us' sportsmen. We have not been included in any partnership on these legislative proposals. By failures I mean this debacle and the Hunter's rights ballot bill. How much lobbyist money was spent on that poorly written bill that was so bad the majority of hunters voted against. A little inclusion and input during the drafting stage of those 'expected' to support at the polls would have probably resulted in success... but that's too obvious. And we are expected to blindly support a losing record with 350 tags and the funds they generate? Nope. Enough generalities... I spent a little time trying to form an opinion of the 'Good' legislation allegedly enacted by these entities. Can't find much, for the same reason we aren't ever included in the first place. I'm willing to listen to specifics, here's your chance. The commission review board... I've found the names, a little info that sheds almost no light on the individuals... and their first minutes of the initial meeting, which sheds little light... How are they appointed? Who appoints them? What qualifies them to be the only source of appointee review. What advantage it is to us to have another 'non answerable to the voting constituency' 5 person panel, making decisions and another step away from the original 'non answerable to the voting constituency' 5 person G&F commission. We sportsmen aren't involved in the board selection and it puts one more step away from our voting voice. What's to keep the review board from being stacked liberal in the future and the tables being turned on us?... I really don't have enough specifics to know if this is a good thing or not, here's a chance to convince us that our best interests as a group were being worked for. I would like to also know specifically what other legislation has been enacted, we can start other threads to specifically review and dissect those. And what is this new Omnibus bill? maybe it'd be a good time to start including us if you want our support. Kent

Feels like 'Uncle' snuck in at midnight, put his hands in our panties and then tried to tell us how we should be grateful for the attempted molestation when we slap the hand away. Kent

Comes down to the attempted political theft of valuable public property, controlled by a single entity without oversite by a voting constituency, overblown statistics, gaping legal loopholes ripe for corruption, collusion and cronyism... with the promise of some future vague effort towards the average hunter's advantage... respectfully of course. What's not to like? Kent

I saw a collared female wolf on the 4B side of Forest Lakes in '99 during archery elk season, saw it two times and my buddy saw it once. called G&F and the lady said they were looking for a female that left whatever area it was in. I believed then and still do now, these 'escapes' were planned. More predator pressure, whether coyotes because of no more trapping, lions, wolves and humans having 8 hunting seasons in a unit... is the number 1 detriment to deer populations. Too many agendas.... Kent

That is so COOOOOL Matt!!!!! Nice write up also Congrats... Kent

Congrats to your Mom, good for you making sure she was successful. Looks like you have a nice spot. Kent

Exactly what does the law say on retrieving an animal from a legal kill by the original hunter... does it specify an exact time limit? Unless this is spelled out specifically, I would imagine it could be taken to court as AZG&F has set precedence of allowing hunters to find/keep their kills, even months later. Kent

Anytime Kent

Amazon has them for 315.72... if you need to borrow mine again this year they are available. Kent

Good info Blake and Gary. Problem I can see with bolting it on is exactly what happened, makes a prybar an easy can opener. The more secure it is to a solid object the more torque can be applied to a small area like a seam, use it's immobility against it. If the box flops around with torque it's much harder to get a bite on it. Being in construction and having to demo every once in awhile, I can see a very easy way to get at any cam in a box, welded or whatever. I won't say as to help future thieves. It just means if someone wants that cam they will get it. It only discourages a casual encounter and animals. Hope you all have better luck in the future. Kent

Gary, with all the bark rotted off on most of it, it looks dead to me... I know, I know but I'm a 'detail' guy as you know. Gets me in trouble. LOL Kent

This one is a no brainer, terrible! Check the area for who might be carrying yellow pry type tools, possibly in their job, yellow is not to common. Kent

That's reasonable. These cam issues are white hot now, just look at the response of just a couple of vague pictures. It gets beyond name calling, there are physical threats. This can of worms has been opened some posts down and you probably didn't know what you were walking into. These public cam fights are being noticed and the results will not favor cam users. I can see a law much like the Lacy act for cams... no use during hunting seasons, prescouting only. I agree with private property rights but also see the privacy issue if a guy is trying to 'hunt' a blind and he has cams filming him, flashing , whatever from 'scouters'. I can't blame someone for turning one off or covering it. It's much like the 'first come, first serve' on blinds, except the hunter should have precedence over the scouter. It's only going to get worse the more cams are put out... just the nature of the beast. The wrong person get accused in anger. Oh well, I'm headed hunting, maybe if I see a cam I can show someone my butt. Later, Kent

No problem, I'm stepping in deliberately to take some heat on myself and defuse a very serious situation until it can be ironed out. I am questioning Chiefbarry's evidence without trying to discredit him too much... most of my comments are for members that were seeing the evidence wrong. possibly he has 70 other pictures and for him he sees the full picture, he just hasn't put up the best of his evidence if that's the case, he needs to step back and start again. His evidence at this point sucks. That the members here grabbed the torches and noose, headed for a lynching is the sad part. It was getting out of hand fast. I'm out of this now. Kent

Different magnification and what's going on with the top 1/4 of the second picture. tampering somehow, don't know why. Guy was probably just out scouting for his kids Jr elk hunt and now he's a criminal. Kent

I'm defensive because fellow hunters, whether I know them or not are being raked over the coals, threats made, called names, their personal info posted, all over three posts and three pictures that don't come close to adding up. I'd stand here for you if your picture was shown. Obviously most don't need real proof or even a close proximity. This could just as well be the Vet's own camera. I can save any picture on the internet in 'my pictures' and put it in my photobucket and say they are mine. Like this.... After blowing up the picture in 'my pictures', that guy isn't my friend or the Vet, just a guy walking by at 7:30, doesn't matter. Chief claimed he was the second guy besides the older vet, stealing the cam during the 1/2 hour 9:20 theft fest. That is flat out wrong from the pictures which is his sole evidence. I will standup for that guy against a mob until real proof is shown, the BS meter is pegged... wake up. Kent

HUH? the third picture is of a guy in a floppy hat, hours earlier... unrelated unless you stretch really hard. I'm 90% sure I know that guy and there better be more proof that he specifically touched the camera, he is in no way related to the vets in any way. He does have a nov archery tag and has been scouting. The dates are 2009, big deal if you can't set dates but that rules out oct 2nd also. Which puts the time frame in question.. This could be the vets own camera, someone got the pictures from, as plausible as any explanation. Where's the pictures of the camera twisting and the bino with vet's care? There is a third person in the 9:00 time frame, that person is the one lifting the camera up at the older gentlemen... max1 camo doesn't match any of the others during that time. Possibly unlocking it to check the card of his camera? I'm going by what was said and it don't match the three pictures. The lynch mob mentality amazes me on almost zero evidence. Kent

He hasn't proved it is even his camera or pictures... three posts on three threads... three pictures with wrong dates or old dates, showing guys and trees, could be their camera. He puts up a picture of a totally unrelated person on the third thread, dated two hours earlier walking by and claims he was with the other '2' in a 1/2 hour span, stealing. I know the earlier guy and he isn't related to the others, except he walked by on the same day, hours earlier. Who's the third person in the photo with the older guy's face close, you can see the shoulder of the coat, a max1 camo, not matching any of the others. If they were there for 30 mins stealing, there has to be another of him/her. Too many inconsistencies for a new poster and three pics. I want to see the other pictures first. Kent

Too many inconsistencies in this story at this point, be careful going off half cocked. Just say'n... Kent

Guayos El Rey for sit down, we even come from Mesa for birthdays and such, it's only an hour. Burger House or Ed's La Casita for take out. It's all good. Kent

Eberlestock buttbucket will work/attach with most packs. Works the same as the X1 daypack that has the bucket and tether built in. I won't hand carry my bow anymore all day. http://www.paysonoutfitters.com/servlet/th...l/41/Categories Removing the bow is easy, the negative I've found is in brushy areas your arrows can get pulled out by limbs, I now bungee them to the bow. Kent

A couple years ago my wife was fussing around the house, I could tell she was upset. I couldn't figure why and finally she say's,' you forgot didn't you'. I'm searching my brain and say,'What'!, she say's,'our anniversary'. I thought for a second and said,' today's November 26th', she say's 'yes'. I say,'we were married in April' DOH! You on the otherhand... nice knowing ya... Kent

You going to make it Kent? Sorry Mike, I didn't see your question... I'm going to try and be there, just not 100%, would like to meet some CWT folks, if I do I'll see you there buddy. Kent

Looks really good, if I decide to get a new bow I know where to go. What brands are you carrying? Kent

Buffhunter, Congrats and especially to your wife, have a great hunt. I got a 4A general antlerless Hopi tag, there were 3 available , it was what I wanted if not an early bull archery tag. I haven't hunted elk with a gun in years so should be fun. Kent