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Also be aware that blackhorn loads should be reduced about 0.7 from pyrodex loads. The max I would shoot of BH in a CVA, Trafitions or TC would be about 100-110 gr by volume or 70-75 weight. 105gr BH by weight would likely blow up a CVA or traditions and probably a TC.

Be careful with the black max on elk. Not sure if this thread is directed toward elk or deer but I killed two muleys with the black maxes last fall. One hit just under the throat patch on a head on deer. Hit the spine and vaporized. Broke the spine and obviously crushed the deer but didn’t exit. Thank god it didn’t as it was a giant shorthair buck and it would’ve destroyed the cape. I wouldn’t have wanted that to be an elk shoulder though as it wouldn’t have penetrated at all. That was a 300gr black max at 2350fps out of my ultimate at 120 yards with open sights. The second deer was 368 yards with my bad to the bone muzzy which cranks the same bullet at 2650. He was above me in his bed at a 45 degree angle. Shot him through the front shoulder (the heavy bass of it) and it angled up through his heart. That one completely fragmented as well. Awesome deer bullets and I’ve heard the match hunters will pencil through a deer but I think if I had a muzzy elk tag this year I’d take the match hunters instead. Even if they don’t expand at all they’re still .45 cal which is a nice size hole.

Dunno anything about those bullets but once you get dialed in maybe measure your powder by weight instead of volume. They have a conversion ratio on their site. Much more accurate. I would look in that 100gr by volume range for blackhorn. Muzzleloader are expensive as heck to shoot by the time you get through $1 worth of BH209 and a $2 bullet.

Stick with blackhorn 209. It is oil soluble so you use hoppes to clean it up. Any pyrodex is water soluble which means that the powder and any residue will imbibe water from the air and it affects accuracy both in the powder and in the residue on the barrel. Shoot good magnum shotshell primers with it as well. I’ve had good luck with Barnes bullets as far as terminal performance out of non magnum muzzleloaders. Stay away from EZ load sabots. They are too soft and will be inconsistent.

Good on you and your mom for having the guts to get out and try something new! It might take you a couple years to draw rifle in one of the desert units. I agree with the others on the OTC archery hunt. Another option would be looking into CO, WY or MT rifle. All should be doable for getting tags for fall of 2021. If you’re looking into it be sure to buy a preference point if you decide on MT or WY. They sell them in late summer. If you decide on MT let me know and I can line you up on some places. Your chance for a giant will be less then AZ by far but your chance at a nice 4x4 muley will be much better.

Wow. That’s really tragic. Mike sold me my first set of swaro 15’s. We talked for a couple hours in the Sportsmans warehouse parking lot off I-17. I didn’t know a coues deer from a jack rabbit at the time as I had just moved to AZ from ND. He texted me several times throughout that first year I lived here with hints and ideas on how and where to find deer and pigs. Really a nice guy. I know a lot of a55holes and they seem to live forever, but nice guys like Mike always seem to be the ones that go tragically.

The auction tags on the paunsuguant sell for $40k+ in Utah. That tag is late October rifle as well. I would argue the late kaibab hunt is as good as that is anyday. I’m not sure putting a price tag on those hunts and I hope AZ stays away from that type of system, but it does show you what kind of a quality opportunity you have and what it’s worth to some people. I’m glad you got the tag instead of someone forking over big cash for it but just make sure you give it the attention it deserves. And put some pics and a story up when it’s all over.

Take priority on the deer tag. The draw odds on that elk tag are like 40% with just loyalty and hunter Ed points and nearly guaranteed every other year or every third year. I would hunt the weekends only for the elk tag and put all my eggs in the late kaibab deer tag basket. You can kill raghorns on a lot of hunts nearly every year, but a chance at a 190+ muley only comes around a few times in your whole life so make the most of it. I would also focus my scouting on the deer hunt. That late archery elk tag will be tough to scout for anyhow. It’ll be tough for just about anything to be honest. Pretend you don’t have it or if you’re that worried about the points, turn it back so someone else can hunt it. Using your ten day’s off you can hunt essentially the whole season of the late kaibab. If they auctioned that tag off like they do in UT that would be a $40,000 deer tag. Your late 10 archery hunt wouldn’t bring much in comparison.

You had 13 resident points and had 13a archery and didn’t draw? I was hoping I could sneak a max tag with 11 but didn’t. Would have guessed 13 would get you one though.

I don’t think there’s anything “pet” about any load for those guns.

I’ve got 13 javelina points 😉 4-5 years ago my mom decided to have everyone down to AZ for a family gathering in February and I had 10-11 and we put in as a group last minute with my brothers (who are leeches for points and won’t put in even when I remind them) so we averaged out to like 2 points and drew the tag we wanted so we could hunt. Ended up being a great hunt. I foresee that in the future again and want to make sure we have enough points to guarantee a tag where and when we want it as a group.

Awesome. The best part is you get to go buffalo hunting! It’s different then anything you’ve done. By the time you’re done with the hunt you’ll love it or hate it but you can atleast say you’ve done it!

I think most of those fall cow hunts are fairly easy to draw. With a point or two they are guaranteed if I’m not mistaken.

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He actually isn’t. You can hunt whatever you want on public ground every year if you can afford it. In NM for instance unit wide landowner tags are available as he stated. So for $2500-$20,000 you can circumvent the draw and go hunt public every year.

Good lookin rifle! Let us know how it shoots.

Curious how that goes for you! I tried for the muzzy tag in 107 with 3 points and for turned down. I drew 61 a few years back with 9 or 10 points and know I’ll never catch it again but am ok with that. I think a guy can find a good buck in some of those fringe units. Good luck with the tag and post back here on how you do!

Negative here.

Better pray there are no 4H sheep or pet goats along the way. Here in ND they kill any ram that gets outside a 20 mile buffer zone around the sheep herds.

Is this a legit post? I’m confused. I’d maybe buy this if it’s legit but it looks cut and pasted or something.

If that doesn’t work I’ll look around, we used to have a deal that went on the nipple with a CO2 cartridge on it designed to unload a rifle. Just stick it on the nipple and a shot of CO2 blasts the ball out. Might work.

So the ferrule with the cleaning jag pulled off in there? Glue is risky as you’ll likely get some in the barrel. They make those bullet pullers that screw into a lead ball, you might be able to get that to bite?

Good point. It’s actually one of the hardest to get out of. Short of dying there’s no way out of them unless you do income based and just don’t make any money, which would be the case if he got a professional degree but then couldn’t get a license to practice. I’m guessing he’s gonna be a dental mangenist, or maybe a surgical mansistant for a surgeon.

Seriously though Blake, make sure you check with the state board for medicine, optometry, or dentists before you go invest a bunch of money into an education because you will need to get some type of exception from the board to get a license with a felony on your record, whether it gets downgraded or not. The only thing tougher then trying to pay off a $500,000 professional school education is doing it when you can’t practice legally. It’ll come up in your application to school as well. It won’t ask if you’re a felon, it’ll ask if you have ever been “accused or convicted of a felony”. You’ll have to answer “yes” and then you’ll have to explain. So good luck with it.

Well on my dental license application it said “have you ever been convicted of a felony” not “do you have a felony on your record”. I’m guessing he’s far too stupid to get into any type of professional school so he won’t have to worry about it, but there’s no way in heck he’d ever get any type of medical license even if it is downgraded. I’m sure he’s gonna be a nurses aid or something like that and wipe asses for a living which I guess is cool if you think it’s worth it in exchange for poaching a few deer.