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Let's keep that as the story no antelope in 19a anyhow. Except on the Perkins and it's closed for family issues

I was reading cactusjacks post on his bushnell pistol scope and it got me thinking. I didn't want to hi jack his thread so I thought I'd start another. I definitely am impressed by the idea of vortex warranty or any no fault warranty for that matter, I have a few of their products and have used many more of them. My only beef with their warranty is that I feel like its at the expense of quality. When I was in college I worked for a sporting goods store in ND called scheels. It's the largest sporting goods store in the Midwest and growing extremely fast. They have an extremely good business plan and have put sportsmans and gander mountain out of business in most of the areas they are in. They have scheels branded stuff just like cabelas etc. Any scheels product has a no fault warranty on it like vortex. I was talking with the upper management that are in on the development of that stuff about how they can afford to do it. He said essentially you upsale a lower quality product to the same cost as a higher quality product. For instance. Our best scheels spinning rod was $199. It had a no questions asked warranty. I bought a couple while working there at cost. Our cost. $38. They can return one 5 times and still break even on it. Compare that rod to a $199 st. Croix and there's no comparison, but the warranty sold the scheels rod 9 times out of 10. Are most people fishing (in our case glassing) at a high enough level to notice a difference? Doubtful. For that person the warranty is worth the money. In my opinion you are getting a lesser product for the money without a doubt. I have a our of vortex for my neck Binos. I best the absolute sh!t out of them when crawling Etc. I know that I could've gotten better glass in a swaro bino if same money (not quite comparable because the swaros were more but you catch my drift) but I'm willing to give up quality in a neck bino for warranty. In my opinion I'm not hand holding a bino steady enough to know the difference and if (most likely "when") I wreck them I can send them in for a new pair! Whether or not thats a deal breaker is up to you. If you absolutely positively need the best fishing rod/15's etc money can buy then I think you need to go with the g loomis or the swaros. If you deal with paying slightly more for an 80% product knowing that you're covered if an accident happens then I think the warranty product is the way to go. What are your guys' thoughts?

Thanks again for doing this!!!

Interesting insight. I think we are all on the same page. It really sounds like we mostly have the same opinions on it. I plinko'd my 15 SLC's down through a rock pile last year on a NM elk hunt. It was my fault. Didn't tighten the pistol grip clamp screw. I sent them in and they replaced the lenses, $250. I think that's fair since I broke them. Would it have been free if they were kaibabs? Likely. Am I willing to go back to kaibabs in this stage of my life? Nope. My only compliant was they took 6 weeks. I was really frustrated with that.

This can't be for real.

You're on the right track. 8's for sure for off hand glassig. I actually have 6.5's and 7's for my neck binos. 10's are a sorry compromise between a good hand hold bino and a good tripod bino. If you aren't carrying a tripod then 8's are the absolute highest I'd go. If they're for hand holding and tripod mounting and you can only afford one pair, then get 10's.

Sounds like a lot of work. I'd go somewhere where there isn't 2 ft of snow. There will be fox there too.

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^ Coolest pics and post on cwt in a long time!!!

+1 IT is impossible for them NOT to open, by design. As far as broken blades, in my opinion if a blade hits something so hard it's going to break it, it's also gonna slow the arrow so much your penetration is gone, so I'd prefer that blade break off to save the penetration. A non broken blade that stops at the shoulder is much less effective then a one bladed arrow that makes the vitals in my opinion.

Daaaaang.

I have lost a turkey and the biggest whitetail of my career (found him two weeks later) as well as a double lunged bull elk that went 1 mile and required 4 follow up shots with rage 3 blades. I can't put my finger on why, they just didn't die quickly?!? I switched to the 2 blades and have had nothing but good luck. Weird I know and totally anecdotal evidence, but that was enough for me to switch.

Could I glass the desert from ND with these?

Did they ever fix the typo about rifle in 9 opening during archery?

You know if your out of town i could store that for ya. Haha. I bet you could!

I'll take it. PM incoming

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I'll take it if you'll ship it. I'm in ND. Let me know.

Just say "earmuffs".

I'll take second dibs.

Looks like you stuffed it later too!

I still have yet to see a pic from this year of a really big 3c buck. Seems like a great place for a 160-170 buck but that's a lot of points to dump on a buck of that size. That kid and dad that I saw pics of both shot nice bucks that have to be pushing 170 but beyond that it looks like a ton of young 150-160 bucks are shot in there. For as many as you see come out of there I haven't seen a really big one yet either. Seems like even the OTC units turn out an occasional giant and certainly the kaibab.

Why do those guys looked so pissed? Lotta bonus points and money to spend not to crack a smile. I'd be smiling like a pig in sh!t with a coues like that, but that's just me I guess.

Nice work! I think you've got yourself a redhead hen laying on the tailgate there as well.

You could stumble upon a big ol Muley up in the pj's or a monster coues along the canyon in 4a, but you're setting yourself up for a skunkin if you hunt up there. If you're looking to just see deer and get a chance at some stalks I'd look lower. Any of the units in the 20's will get you plenty of opportunities to see some bucks and lots of chances to make stalks. There's a chance of a monster in 4a but a much better chance of not seeing much other then elk!