Redman

I agree 100% NM deer herd is no better than ours...

My thought is mandatory reporting first. We have no idea the number of spikes that are killed on a hunt... we assume but we don't know.... or even for that matter HOW many deer are killed with the current reporting requirements. Antler restrictions and harvest objectives would be hard to manage. If the spikes were not killed, would harvest objectives be met? The G&F then would (may) have to issue more tags to accomplish harvest objectives. I hunted in 30B some 8-9 years ago. A member of the site killed a spike and I witnessed (great time), surprisingly the G&F officer checked the deer and found it to be 4 years old, these antlers were 2-3 inches long... now I am no biologist but how many spikes running around ARE older than 2 years? Not all spike developed fork horns.... Now I may be in favor of restrictions in a few units, if fewer tags in the early hunts were offered with more tags in the late hunts being offered.. then the harvest objective would be met with fewer hunters....boy that sounds familiar to a system that USED to be in place.

I can almost bet I've have a 3x3 hanging on the wall that is smaller than most for 2 pts or forks...I have glassed plenty of 3 pts that were 2 year old deer, also this weekend in NM I found a 2 x 0 that was legal even with an antler restriction... I did not shoot it. There are plenty of big bucks in EVERY unit... just go find them, don't restrict me from hunting in any unit because you want more alleged larger bucks.

Sorry that is not the definition of a legal buck in NM....forked horn antler is all that is needed...NO eye guard. That rule was changed years ago.

Well recently a 2x2 was posted on this forum that scored 109...and I would LOVE TO SHOOT!! I guess that thing would have to die of old age under a 3 pt rule... Plus there is no guarantee that a 2pt or spike will EVER develop into a 3pt... those deer would breed with the does and their genetics would pass along. Spike and forks have ALWAYS been slaughtered on the first hunts...

Well based on your reply.... I will scrutinize you... why do you feel the need to point out another members views (CNS) on a totally different topic and then speak for him? That's bush league man... Redman ... I am not speaking for him " If it is legal it is also ethical" are his own words as it pertains to Ethics and hunting (this type of thought can not be exclusive) . This does not constitute a grey area and if truly believed does not allow for one to think the opposite when he or she chooses. I brought up the comment because the key point of the OP was on ethical killing and it seems to be that many( not all) individuals here believe the same way as this highly looked up to member of the site, and they only seem to associate ethics with legality versus the moral practices and beliefs of the majority of people around them. "I am sure, C-n-S thinks completely the same way about the banks and mortgage companies, and that they were being ethical when they screwed Americans" that is speaking for him Str8Shot....

awesome bucks.... is there a cut on your nose?

great buck...

dude congats... haters are all over the place... all one has to do is sit on a hill and listen to the shots coming from the canyons....boom, boom, boom, boom....(reload) then boom, boom, boom and I am SURE at closer distances... but nobody is gonna hate

I think this topic has taken a few turns... there are some new satellite messengers coming out that (from I have read) allow blue tooth connections to smart phone that will allow texting... how will this work?? but sounds interesting

I have used one in the past and it worked great, then I changed the load and scope... now its worthless.... I am not going to spend another $150 on a new one... just count clicks... I also made my own. Cut a small white paper in a circle and tapped it to the cap. counted clicks to 400 (wrote a 4 on the paper) then a large dot for every 25 yds until 5 (then wrote another 5)..then more large dots until 6 etc. My scope is zero'd at 300... I will count the clicks if I have time, but in a rush I could use the "redman industries" knob LOL

Looks like a solid rig for $500 1. check pressure in tires/ lug nuts are tight. Check spare. 2. make sure bolts holding axle on are tight. 3. Lights work (blinkers, etc) 4. You can get water in Payson or Forrest Lakes... BUT some of the stores in FL may not be open 5. Propane full / leave tanks open with things turned off for a few days.... try to check for a leak. wouldn't want you to get up there an have a leak. 6. Carpet for the outside, it could be muddy, leave boots outside until night. 7. Take your tools with you... this week in New Mexico my pull trailer took a dump...without tools I would have been SOL. There is a True Value in Heber... so they will have misc items....

Well based on your reply.... I will scrutinize you... why do you feel the need to point out another members views (CNS) on a totally different topic and then speak for him? That's bush league man...

With the passage of SB 379, the Off-Highway Motor Vehicle (OHV) law changed the requirements of non-residents who need to purchase a non-resident permit. The new law now recognizes a non-resident operating an OHV is in compliance with New Mexico if that person: is currently in compliance with another state's off-highway vehicle registration, user fee or similar law or rule demonstrated by certificate of registration, permit or similar evidence…(66-3-1004.C NMSA 1978). However, if a non-resident is from a State that has not established OHV registration or a user fee, then the non-resident must purchase New Mexico 's Off-Highway User permit. States that have no registration program and no use fee are: Alabama Hawaii Mississippi South Carolina West Virginia Alaska Illinois Nebraska South Dakota Florida Kansas Nevada Tennessee Georgia Kentucky North Carolina Virginia A non-resident with an OHV from one of these states must purchase either the 2 year non-registered permit sticker for $48.00 or the 90 day permit sticker for $18.00 prior to operate on New Mexico 's public lands. A non-resident from the remaining states need not purchase New Mexico 's permit as long as they can provide valid proof that they have a current registration, user fee or something similar for their off-highway vehicle. If a person cannot provide valid proof of possessing such a document then they must purchase the 2 year non-resident permit sticker or the 90 day permit sticker. It is a misdemeanor for any person (even a juvenile) to fail to possess the proper permit or registration for an off-higway vehicle and display the required decal on their OHV. Persons in violation of this provision can receive a fine of $60.00 or more and may not ride on public lands.

NO!!... I purchased an OHV tag for many years... I am surprised New Mexico did not go with a money grab and want their own... thumbs up!

congrats....

considering that the teams ASU played before last night won a combined 13 games....and NAU is 5-1 it was hard to gauge how awful the Devil's truly are.... 41-7 with 11:43 remaining in the 2ND QUARTER.... I will give ASU players some props... they did not quit..... like their head coach has the last 3 years.

scoring 7 is a morale victory....LOL.......

Great job Mike, looks like you and Jadyn had a great time.

After my son's game on Friday (Desert Ridge beat Mesa!!!) we left for 3C. my son is now 16, so this was an "advanced" junior hunt... one of our best hunts together! Arrived at camp at 1:00 AM. thank goodness I recently switched to a cab over camper...15 minutes later we were trying to get to sleep... it was hard to fall asleep because bulls were SCREAMING all night. We had one bull no more than a couple of hundred yards from camp and he was LOUD...as daylight approached the elk moved into the canyon...we headed out...cool crisp morning. Frost on the ground with crystal clear skies. A good friend glassed up a bunch of elk with multiple bulls screaming, then another bull came over a closer hill with his herd in tow... we moved within 458 yds, dialed the scope to match the yardage, Tyler got into the prone position shooting off the bi-pod and pack supporting the stock, he took his time and let one shot rip from the 300 WSM. Flopped this big gal over.... done at 7:10. The bull stayed there screaming at us for about 10 minutes.... I quartered her up...thank goodness my son is older and all those days lifting weights paid off...he carried two quarters out in no time, my friend carried one... and I carried one (however I almost had a heart attack...LOL)...back at camp at 10:30... Listened to the college games, drank a few cold ones...needing to sit in the sun as the day stayed cool..... that night the bulls were still screaming. Woke up in the am to...you guessed it...screaming bulls, walked a hundred yards from camp, glassed three bulls bugling at each other.... then reality set in....packed up and back to home....today was a LONG day. My youngest son was also able to be there, he will be 9 in Nov...one more year for him and he will be hunting!

shimming is fine... you can also use Burris Offset Inserts (you have to use Burris Rings) http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=6431/pid=26144/Product/SIGNATURE-OFFSET-RING-INSERTS?mc_id=80000&srch=1&gdftrk=gdfV21820_a_7c187_a_7c3466_a_7c118626017_d_118626016_d_10147

pick a spot near a border patrol station.. that would be the safest spot and their lights will light you camp ground for you

Hey Joe, Don't take this as an attack.... but does it bother you that the G&F is making a rule based on data that is totally fictitious.... The point is, with the rule change, another "right" is lost.....not only for those that abuse or break the law, but even for those that follow the law.... (like your comment on target shooting... I am sure a good percentage of those who target shot don't hunt... and those that do hunt or those that picked up after themselves can no longer shoot legally).

I also sent to: rulemaking@azgfd.gov and CCook@azgfd.gov

Its not easy for me to find a 110' buck..... I have spots that I will continue to narrow...then have to go with the area I like the most.