Redman

After reading the results of the ADA survey, there were very few answers agreed upon. Some results were very close to being even, and some questions with multiple answers are impossible to interpret. One could not set hunt regulations from using the survey. I did not go to the meeting so I have little to complain about. With only 6000 hunters completing the survey and only 20 people showing up at the meeting to voice their opinions, how can anybody fault the Game and Fish? Redman

tucsonbill, I read this today and thought of you. Double standard, I wonder why Mexico's illegal aliens don't protest or walk out of class....oh ....now I remember, they are SHOT TO DEATH....... Mexico Harsh to Undocumented Migrants By MARK STEVENSON Associated Press Writer TULTITLAN, Mexico (AP) -- Considered felons by the government, these migrants fear detention, rape and robbery. Police and soldiers hunt them down at railroads, bus stations and fleabag hotels. Sometimes they are deported; more often officers simply take their money. While migrants in the United States have held huge demonstrations in recent weeks, the hundreds of thousands of undocumented Central Americans in Mexico suffer mostly in silence. And though Mexico demands humane treatment for its citizens who migrate to the U.S., regardless of their legal status, Mexico provides few protections for migrants on its own soil. The issue simply isn't on the country's political agenda, perhaps because migrants make up only 0.5 percent of the population, or about 500,000 people - compared with 12 percent in the United States. The level of brutality Central American migrants face in Mexico was apparent Monday, when police conducting a raid for undocumented migrants near a rail yard outside Mexico City shot to death a local man, apparently because his dark skin and work clothes made officers think he was a migrant. Virginia Sanchez, who lives near the railroad tracks that carry Central Americans north to the U.S. border, said such shootings in Tultitlan are common. "At night, you hear the gunshots, and it's the judiciales (state police) chasing the migrants," she said. "It's not fair to kill these people. It's not fair in the United States and it's not fair here." Undocumented Central American migrants complain much more about how they are treated by Mexican officials than about authorities on the U.S. side of the border, where migrants may resent being caught but often praise the professionalism of the agents scouring the desert for their trail. "If you're carrying any money, they take it from you - federal, state, local police, all of them," said Carlos Lopez, a 28-year-old farmhand from Guatemala crouching in a field near the tracks in Tultitlan, waiting to climb onto a northbound freight train. Lopez said he had been shaken down repeatedly in 15 days of traveling through Mexico. "The soldiers were there as soon as we crossed the river," he said. "They said, 'You can't cross ... unless you leave something for us.'" Jose Ramos, 18, of El Salvador, said the extortion occurs at every stop in Mexico, until migrants are left penniless and begging for food. "If you're on a bus, they pull you off and search your pockets and if you have any money, they keep it and say, 'Get out of here,'" Ramos said. Maria Elena Gonzalez, who lives near the tracks, said female migrants often complain about abusive police. "They force them to strip, supposedly to search them, but the purpose is to sexually abuse them," she said. Others said they had seen migrants beaten to death by police, their bodies left near the railway tracks to make it look as if they had fallen from a train. The Mexican government acknowledges that many federal, state and local officials are on the take from the people-smugglers who move hundreds of thousands of Central Americans north, and that migrants are particularly vulnerable to abuse by corrupt police. The National Human Rights Commission, a government-funded agency, documented the abuses south of the U.S. border in a December report. "One of the saddest national failings on immigration issues is the contradiction in demanding that the North respect migrants' rights, which we are not capable of guaranteeing in the South," commission president Jose Luis Soberanes said. In the United States, mostly Mexican immigrants have staged rallies pressuring Congress to grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants rather than making them felons and deputizing police to deport them. The Mexican government has spoken out in support of the immigrants' cause. While Interior Secretary Carlos Abascal said Monday that "Mexico is a country with a clear, defined and generous policy toward migrants," the nation of 105 million has legalized only 15,000 immigrants in the past five years, and many undocumented migrants who are detained are deported. Although Mexico objects to U.S. authorities detaining Mexican immigrants, police and soldiers usually cause the most trouble for migrants in Mexico, even though they aren't technically authorized to enforce immigration laws. And while Mexicans denounce the criminalization of their citizens living without papers in the United States, Mexican law classifies undocumented immigration as a felony punishable by up to two years in prison, although deportation is more common. The number of undocumented migrants detained in Mexico almost doubled from 138,061 in 2002 to 240,269 last year. Forty-two percent were Guatemalan, 33 percent Honduran and most of the rest Salvadoran. Like the United States, Mexico is becoming reliant on immigrant labor. Last year, then-director of Mexico's immigration agency, Magdalena Carral, said an increasing number of Central Americans were staying in Mexico, rather than just passing through on their way to the U.S. She said sectors of the Mexican economy facing labor shortages often use undocumented workers because the legal process for work visas is inefficient. ? 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Learn more about our Privacy Policy. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MEX...-04-18-18-08-31

Coues7, don't take this as a personal attack on you, but I've hunted these southern units in Oct and Nov the last 5 years and I have absolutely loved it. Now, with the proposed changes there are going to be less tags in the early hunts than the prior years (since tags are shifting to Dec) isn't that what most hunters wanted? It seems like the G&F has listened. I am by no means close to being a wildlife biologist and I doubt 98% of us on this website are, not all comments made by the ignorant public can possibly be accommodated. I would like to review the 300 comments as Dave has to see the contrasting ideas (good and dumb). But from what I have read on other states wildlife departments, the Arizona Game and Fish is doing an above average job managing the wildlife in our state. Just look at what is happening in Washington and see the "starving elk on Mt. St. Helen's" for a good comparison. Redman

Am I reading this right, the December WT tags in the southern units are increasing, some by 100 to 125 tags? I am also glad there are going to be more junior hunts in the southern units this year, since my son will be going on his first hunt this year. The Nov archery elk tag fiasco is no longer on the books. Be interesting to see what will happen with the Sept jav hunts. I got a kick out of the QA of " Consider increasing the number of mountain lions that can be harvested from the southwestern units from 1 to 2." "There has not been a lion harvested in this area since 1981". Where are all the lion hunter at? We all should pay attention, under every species somebody wrote "All ______ hunting should be banned". Redman

Your right it would make sense to put a new one up and only time will tell. Redman

The version in the link is from Nov 2005, is there a more current version? I thought based on feedback from Arizona Bowhunters, the proposed were going to change (that happened in Jan-Feb the Nov document wouldn't have those changes). Redman

Sure would like to be able to call that number, just can't get the deer to participate. Redman

Dave Just make sure you don't use the "Pampered Chef" brand one like I did. My wife had a cow. I would also second or third the wraps, if blazer vanes are used, they seem to stick better with the wraps, plus cleaning the arrows is a "little" less important. Blazers with whisker biscuit are

I would agree its just as easier to get arrow cut to length from where you buy them from. Fletching is simple. I use the Arizona Easy Fletch (only one I have owned) and can fletch a dozen in less than an hour. Couple of tips I know. use a potato peeler to remove old flecthings. Clean the shaft really well with soap and water. I use blazer vanes with fletch tight glue and they rarely come off. Redman

I am wondering how everybody else is doing chasing pigs, I have been out 4 full days and have not seen one (I keep getting sidetracked with deer), but usually I can find one. Been in different areas in 33 and 37B with no luck...yet. Still plenty of time, let me know how your doing. Redman

Full blown rut today in 33, all does had bucks with them, all little bucks were by themselves. No chance with the dry conditions is sounds like I am walking on broken sticks all day. I may as well have a bull horn today announcing were I was. It is so dry, we need some rain. Redman

WOW you have been busy, I was waiting to see a picture of a huge buck, but that will probally be next week

coueselk, You write the coolest stories and post awesome pictures. Its easy to tell you REALLY love being out their. Congratulations on two dandy bucks. Redman

Just took the survey, it took about 4 minutes. thanks for working on this. Redman

Greetings, I have a son that will turn 10 this year and need to acquire a rifle for him. I am strongly looking at a 243. He is not a big kid, he may weigh 70 pounds next season. Any recommendations? Redman

One thing that has helped me with shooting downhill is ranging something that is parallel to me above where the animal is. Example: it ranges at 38 yds, but parrallel to me it will ranges at 30 yds, I then use my 30 yd pin. Redman

I say cancel the rifle hunt and keep the archery hunt or move the Dec rifle hunt to August. Redman

You know being from San Manuel and competing with those Safford boys you tend to take what they say with a grain of salt. But a picture is worth a 1000 words. That is one awesome buck. Are you sure that thing did not come from Texas? Redman

Megahunter6969 This year my father in law was stooped by a warden in unit 33. The warden and him glassed together and the warden found a small buck and asked if he wanted to go after it with him. Due to health issues my father in law cannot walk off road and had to decline (he has a champ permit). I was not there when this happened, but my father in law was extremely impressed with the warden and could not believe how friendly he was and how willing to help. Not that my father in law experiences help you in any way, but as with any organization there are good, average, and bad employees. I disagree with you and the management statement and all they want is our money. I feel they are doing a reasonable good job and are looking our for the AZ resident. Redman

Thanks for all the responses and specs (Bill Q). I'm been to the Sportsman's Warehouse a couple of times and they do not currently have any youth rifles (the have 22's and shotguns). I would like to put one on layaway and pay for it (after X-mas). My son's birthday is in June and his present will be a rifle and scope for hunting. I now believe in buy good stuff the first time so he will be getting a quality setup. With all the new short magnums (223, 243, 270) who knows what he will get. Redman

Mag, I know this sounds like a dump, but I would spend some time on the Arizona Game and Fish website and read the unit hunt reports. The reports are accurate and will get you to some great deer hunting places. I have used their recommendations many times to venture to a unit I have never hunted before. This allows me to "get" to an area then I pick the hill and terrain I like to hunt. Just as an FYI the 36 units are beautiful, but I would make sure if you are camping to secure your stuff with the immigration problem. Redman

Got both my tags today Redman

Two dandy bucks. Great Job Redman

I think the rules are different for state and federal land (I learned in the hunter safety course in Aug) You can drive on state land but not off federal. I am not 100% sure, but in the case you mentioned, I would probably drive off road and take my chances unless there was something in the way that I would cause significant damage to. I am not sure who can ticket you also, I don't think the game and fish could (only forest service??). Redman

Just awesome and I'm happy I could help. Redman