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first pic of the young guy - looks to be clownin around - stick antlers -- ok the second you see both up close to camera - kinda with the intent of foolin with it! the angle of photo is not same as first pic - so they are definatley movin the camera !

Gary Please add these to any web site you like, I was able to add the older to the site but couldn't upload the younger one. I was running these cams in unit 3C, and these two worked over 30 minutes trying to remove them. My Covertll was locked in it's metal box with a cable master lock. Barry heres the message from this guy - messin with cameras

upload to desk top - below this reply box - in the attachment area - use the browse and the upload - cant wait to see ur pics

heres what g&F has to say about it ! Information for anyone interested in adoption a desert tortoise Thank you for your interest in adopting a desert tortoise. Removing desert tortoises from the wild was legal until 1989, when the Arizona Game and Fish Department protected the species from collection from the wild. Breeding of these captive tortoises and their offspring has led to a surplus of tortoises that need homes. However, we ask that you give considerable thought to being a tortoise caregiver before you apply. A captive tortoise can live up to 100 years, so be aware that a tortoise you adopt may outlive you. Please read the captive desert tortoise care information carefully and determine whether or not you are able to provide the burrow and yard enclosure a desert tortoise requires, as well as the necessary care and treatment. Desert tortoises are typically only adopted from April 1-September 30 because they hibernate during the cooler months. Often families use the winter months to prepare their tortoise habitat, constructing the burrow and enclosure. If you decide you would like to adopt a desert tortoise, please read our packet on Caring for a Captive Desert Tortoise and review the Desert Tortoise Adoption Checklist before you apply to be sure you have fulfilled the requirements. Then, fill out the Desert Tortoise Adoption Application and return it with the required photo documentation. In some cases, we may request that you give a tortoise adoption expert permission to visit your yard to take a closer look at your tortoise habitat. After you have been approved to adopt a tortoise, we will contact you to make arrangements to pick up your desert tortoise. Your tortoise may be permanently marked so if it becomes lost and then found it can be identified by various animal care agencies or veterinarians. A marked tortoise can be traced back to one of our adoption facilities and returned to you. You will be asked to pay a re-homing fee to cover costs of the adoption process. Any of the state-sanctioned desert tortoise adoption facilities will accept desert tortoises that can no longer be cared for by adoptive families. Typically, this occurs when adoptive families leave the state or the owner passes away. Desert tortoises cannot be removed from Arizona, so if you are a desert tortoise custodian and are moving from Arizona, you must return the desert tortoise to one of the adoption facilities. If you relocate within the state, please contact the nearest adoption facility to update your address in our records. Remember that it is not only illegal to release a captive desert tortoise into the wild, and doing so is detrimental to wild tortoises because it can spread disease and disrupt uniquely adapted genetics in wild populations. It is also illegal and detrimental to desert tortoise populations to collect tortoises from the wild. Desert tortoises cannot be adopted outside of their natural range. You may adopt a desert tortoise if you live in the greater Kingman, Bullhead City, Lake Havasu, Kingman, Phoenix, Tucson, or Yuma areas. Desert tortoises cannot survive the severe winters that occur in the northeastern or southeastern regions of the state. Contact information for desert tortoise adoption facilities are listed below. State-sanctioned Adoption Facilities Phoenix: Phoenix Herpetological Society (602) 550-7029; 602-705-2240 Bullhead City: AGFD Region III Office (928) 692-7700 Lake Havasu: AGFD Region III Office (928) 692-7700 Kingman: AGFD Region III Office (928) 692-7700 Yuma: AGFD Region IV Office (928) 342-0091 Tucson: Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum (520) 883-3062 Regulations pertaining to desert tortoises in Arizona Per Arizona Game and Fish Commission Rule R12-4-407 A.1, "An individual may possess, transport, or give away a desert tortoise (Gopherus agassizii) without a special license if that individual possessed it before April 28, 1989. An individual who possessed a desert tortoise before this date may propagate it, and hold offspring in captivity for 24 months from the date of hatching. The individual shall dispose of the offspring of desert tortoises before or at the end of the 24 months by giving them as a gift or as directed in writing by the Department. An individual who receives a desert tortoise that is given away under this Section is also exempt from the special license requirements. An individual shall not export a desert tortoise from this state unless authorized in writing by the Department." Per Arizona Game and Fish Commission Order 43, "Possession limit is one desert tortoise per person." The Tortoise Adoption Program Guidelines state that as of January 2008, you may adopt one desert tortoise per household.

well I'll probably get the dink award - Scouting the night before opening day - produced a huge 6x6 340+ class standing in the middle of the rd, at 200 yrds , for at least 5 minutes . they were trying to jump a fence - Opening morning , at the same spot. At least 4 bulls were bugling like crazy - I just couldnt get them to come in and wasn;t able to get ahead of them . Was one possible 300 yrd plus shot - at a big bull running thru the trees - i passed. I walked right into a 4x5 with a few cows but passed. opening evening i sat a water hole and had same 4x5 at the tank at less than 50 yrds for 10 minutes - I passed. After that things got hot - weather wise and the bulls shut down. 2nd morning not a peep in the same meadow. Hunting the Navajo depot has lots of disadvantages - very limited hunting area - mile wide x 6 miles long on both sides of the base. they can shut down one side or both at any time. they shut down my tank the second evening and the other side produced nothing- Most of the elk- a herd of over 600 stay inside the base area , which is off limits. no reason to go anywhere! some hunters were successfull 6 bulls and 6 cows were taken in 4 days. the biggest taken was a 5x6 that wouldnt go 300 . mostly raghorns after 2 days of not see or hearing elk I was getting a bit discouraged - ya had between 6-7:30 on the morning or from 5-630 in the evening. most animals were taken from sitting water in the evenings. I was mostly after a freezer full of meat , not a set of huge antlers! I had a minor problem with my truck - my 4x4 sticking in 4 high - that didnt help but I noticed wednesday mornin U joint clunk - Since i was one of the last to still be hunting - if ya get stuck you are on ur own - most hunters had left- I decided next elk that walked into the tank I was sitting that night , was hittin the dirt - At 6:05 the next night a dink 3x came to water - well a fork with a busted 3rd- lol- he never left! Now on the depot you have to bring out the entire animal for ID- you can only leave a gut pile - all else must be checked in! Luckly I had exchanged #'s with the only other hunter in the area! I called and he helped me load the elk- I'm quite thankfull it wasn't a super bigelk - as I'd have been left to cut it up by lantern/ headlights - It was hard enough as it was- fat little sucked- after checkin in the bull - I still had to skin and debone him. I pulled under a parking area street lamp and butchered up my elk - took me 2 hrs on my tailgate!- I iced the meat- and decide to head home it was after 12 but hey its only a 2 hr drive. I just finished cutting/wrappin backstraps - got the front / back legs in fridge along with the ribs/neck meat - Loin steaks tonight - I got my TROPHY - a freezer full of meat- well a 1/2 full freezer - lol I made it home safely but as i backed in my wifes like what the heck was that noise - now i gotta replece my u joints- Oh i forgot to mention My driver sdie electric window stuck in the up position the day before I left Just happy to be home safely!-- whats the dink award anyway ! no pics - too tired - this is the readers digest condensed version - lol - Gary

just don't push the guts / blood issue too much - girls can be a bit shy of the other aspects of successfull hunting - don't forget squirrel hunting - nothing - i mean nothing gets them excited as chasin squirrels thru the woods and up a tree and then sitting back and shootin 22's - good luck - gary

way to go JOE - wondered what happened to all those u tube video's ya had posted - lol Looks like ya got a great DVD comin up- - keep in touch gary

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not to be a negative reply but i was trying to use this knife on my elk - butchering on my tailgate - I was skinning up the rear leg and just getting started when the blade came off- now i know it was snapped in properly - how it came off I dont know - where the blade went i wasnt sure but i proceeded to use my ole stand by - a schrade - It skinned-quartered,cut out the leg sockets etc. I had used it to gut split rear pelvis also - I hope to give this knife another try but didn't have time to mess with replacing blades - etc - especially under a street light skinning/ quartering out an elk bymyself!

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+1 ^ in 2 words the wind very important to know which way the wind generally blows - your blind needs to be down wind of the general direction most of the animals come from. just like in the tv shows they have stands situated in different spots and only use them only when the wind is blowing the scent away from where they expect the animals to be! scent control #2

tip what you can afford ! success always helps - take a good look at everything you experienced on the hunt! - I'm not a guide but i know some who wont take tips if the hunter wasnt successfull - I'm sure whatever you decide will be greatly appreciated!- 10% is probably about right -but times are tough 5% is better than nothing !- just my .02 Gary

hey buddy THANKS - do not forget about the poor critter that took 4-6-8 rounds to put down - more than one bullet hole means a lot of damaged meat that needs to be trimmed away- nothin more messy than blood shot meat ! I say this knowing of a poor critter -cow elk - that took 5 rounds before going down - only one was fatal - the last one - lol - just an added note - wasn't me - i only put in for bull tags!- lol hope to swing inand meeet - the meat guy --- gary

just to add one other comment - water - elk need water reguardless of now much snow - try melting snow for a water supply - takes huge amounts to get a glass- some may say the elk just eat snow - which maybe true to some extent-- water supplys start frezzing solid - move to lower elavations - or concentrate on moving water areas anyplace i've been where the tanks /ponds were frozen - no elk to be found

most topo maps will cost ya around 12 $ these days takes anywhere from 8-9 maps to cover a unit national forest maps are like 14$ now mainly cuz they are made out of a plastic type paper they also have unit maps for like $36 but a good price when concidering the othe r option of 9 maps- they were sold out of most units- a lot of gps dealers have maps/ software what unit ya lookin for ? g$f had a few really good maps but only for a very few unitss

Desert Pheasant Recreation 520-723-7234 774 North Wheeler Road 520-709-1019 Coolidge, Arizona 85228 ask for bob henson heres website- scroll down he had pups for sale sure bob or arlett will be able to help = i do believe they are on an elk hunt right now but you can leave a messge sometimes they get dogs for relocation also http://pheasantrec.com/

ok guys - whats your opinion - guy takes in a cow elk weighs(hanging ) at the shop 215 lbs. 4 quarters clean -just meat a questions - should he age it ? archery kill- not a lot of wasted trimings. wants like 40 lbs of burger - how much suet does the butcher add? does this add weight or not ? what should he get from the processor If ya ask the colledge experts they say 65% average so 215 x .65 = 139 lbs One meat cutting formula states -quote"Typically, the "hanging weight" of the beef will be about 60% of the live weight of the animal. From that weight, you can expect to receive about 65 to 70% of the hanging weight in packaged meat due to trim loss, bones, etc" heres another formula for figuring deer 100 lbs live weight X 78%=78 lbs field dressed weight x 75%= 58% hanging weight x 75%= 43 lbs of edibale meat by this one you'd figure approx 90 lbs of meat we usually get people saying they got ripped off from the processors . Any comments- lets just say bedoned for the record i know the one is for beef the other deer but its what I could find goggling we all know elk is a lot leaner than beef

repost- truly sad - just a reminder - forget mexico - spend your money on a new mexico hunt or go hog hunting in texas or california -

it doesn't have to be a dvd - this yr in unit 8 - last saturday- i was in Safeway - saw a family camo'd out- we talked elk- the daughter had takin a shot 40 yrds in the twilght of shooting hrs. Dad states - yep a solid double lung - we saw the fletching just sticking out - full penatration - It's like 8 o'clock - I'm like what the heck are you doing in here - dad replys well - I thought we should wait till morning cuz i dont want to go stumblin around in the dark - ! And besdies its plenty cold outside for the meat to still be ok by morning - it was 45* out I tried to briefly explain the importance of recovering the animal - especially if you are positive it was a kill shot- She had been stitting a tank and we know how they come in at the last minute! it couldn't/shouldn't have gone too far they just drove off!- go figure - figured they wanted to get pics of her first bull!

from the info -i'm getting - higher elevations/ cooler weather - elk a bugling on and off- Now that they are getting educated by the archers - much less talk once the sun comes up- I don't really believe the rut is in full swing just yet! #1 reason is all the really small calves that are still with the cows - (in areas I've been) due to the late rut last yr( because of the warmer weather) the elk are bugling in most areas

make a few trips - try spot lighting - just no guns/weapons in vechile - if I had your tag - I'd hunt the fence line going north-and south - of JD tank - park at the cattle crossing just east of the tank - Gary

from the looks of the hit - it possably a none vital area - not much up in that area to kill an animal unless it hit artery - in this case the bul will most likely live to fight/breed agin - he maybe slowed down for a few days - if not dragging a leg or worse - i say his chance for full recovery are better than average - try agin to locate in the next few days - sure he'll be easy to find - locate closes water - he'll show up- great picks - Gary

great write up- i agree - the only thing i see is just isn't long enough to cover all the good stuff or the crap that goes on - like we got the readers digest version- lol - thanks - gary

we had hoped to get a jump on traffic - comin down from ashfork- lots of people with the same idea - we left like at 930 am- -89 south busy and a line of traffic mile long -no chance to pass - always a mobile home with trailer slowin things up. clear all the way to cordes junction - This was the first time in 30 some yrs - we came to a full stop at the on ramp- bumper to bumper as far as the eye could see both ways on the south bound - slow and go - brakin on and off all the way to sunset - cleared for a while but traffic slowed to a stop agin around table mesa-- I told my wife - NEVER EVER goin out of town on a holiday agin unless we can stay a day later - we didn't see any wrecks - thank goodness made it home by 1

I was n/w of ashfork - never heard a peep - didnt glass any up either - know they are around some trees torn up and good sign at ponds/ tanks - was a tad warmer though - 90-92 - sure elavation and temp makes a big difference in activity- Gary