elkaholic

Hey red. U seem to be put out. So sorry but only u seem to be offended by my speaking the facts as they"ve shown no other options for funds other than tags. And yes it's stealing them

so red --- your now the mouth piece for this bunch of tag stealers as long as it benefits you too! ??? you been a member all of one month and you claim to know everything -- and how it works and will how it will benefit everyone dry up already and go back where you came from

I like the less than 1% .0099 is less than 1% but doubles those .005 figures in the number of tags. they've proved that "TAGS" are their only interest. they're not auction tags -- they are raffle -- what a bunch of crap. same results they get tags to sell-- same results - they're better opportunities for the guys with the cash to hunt premium hunts. screw joe hunter with 8 10 bonus -points waiting for premium elk tag - or guys with 20- antelope bonus points that have never been drawn and may not or 25-30 big horn sheep points - I got lots of cash so i'll just buy a tag and go every year in Arizona-- Just like they do in other states. they don't want to fight this same battle over and over so lets make sure its PERMANENT--- TOTAL B.S. G&F needs to see thru this crap and nix this now and forever. so A guy " buys "-wins several ELK raffle TAGS--toss in and antelope --maybe a coues - heck I only spent 10k on raffle chances per species -- I didn't have to drop 150k on one tag like last yr - we are still talking governors tags premium hunts anywhere in the state. They say its not about TAGS but still their only suggestion is tags to help fund the education AND THE FIGHT BUT SHRUG OFF ANY ALTERNATIVES THAT Make SENSE AND WOULDN'T BE TRYING TO CHANGE G&F REGULATIONS AND STATE LEGISLATION TO SUIT THEIR NEEDS AND THEIR TAG STEALING AGENDA!!! NO TAGS NO TAGS NO TAGS

Ok. I agree.100 % Sometimes hard to keep up without reading everything . My mistake!. I will continue to shout long and hard ! NO TAGS ! BRAIN YOU SPEAK FOR ME TOO!

Sorry

Brian. Which "WE" group do you represent and are the spokes person to make the statement. We do not want tags for auctions or raffles.

They will NEVER stop trying to get the TAGS TAGS TAGS . They are still pissed their big ideas and slick tricks were stopped last time-- we are idiots-fools they' don't want better ideas-- They WANT TAGS ! Like I stated in the other thread --- nothing said is gonna change their agenda!!

As far as I can tell the group of people want more tags-- tags mean they get a better chance to hunt the best of what Arizona has to offer in trophy class animals !! Most( rich folks + others) don't like the fact that here in Arizona the majority of normal hunts- tags per species- the Limit per species in ONE per yr. With 90% + of tags being a random open draw! Which means they ultimately don't get a chance to hunt! the more of these premium tags they can get means open season yr. round no limit! which is means they can hunt where and whenever they want-- money is not a problem to these type of hunters. -- in a lot of other states - a lot of tags go to high bidders. the majority of joe hunters in Arizona are opposed to these type of changes. these same people failed to push legislation thru - with a legislator in their pocket a paid lobbist and a bill that wanted the basic same tags they want now. last time - according to the facts-- we needed a new expo- funds to go to G&F. it was easy to see in the wording they wanted much more! we were lied to and they tried to sneak it by us !! this time its the same ole they want tags - but hope to seek approval for funds to fight for education thru different so called methods but same results ! They get more tags and the money goes to G&F. we've heard nothing from these people but the same old song and dance - the Koolaid has changed color but poured from the same pitcher. Don't be surprised if nothing changes with their meetings and information and their agenda , and what they report or present it to G&F. TAGS TAGS TAGS period no other way - no other idea will get them what the want ! HUNTING YEAR ROUND ANY AND ALL SPECIES

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red I agree- circular conversation you've said the same chit over and over and over agin I agree- enough said already . I guess you can be done cuz your singled minded responses are getting redundant. that's my final say to the attention ace! never seen or heard of till these-- posting on cwt can only hope its his last

Ok ill passon. know a guy lookin. Sent Ur #.

What's with the long shaft trolling motor.?

red like stated go start anew thread about you and your group afraid no one will respond.

figured this red dude was here to side tract from the issue of stealing tags . almost all comments are about his agenda. where's the bill that they'll try to push past legislation. It's the same as last time, the only way they can get the tags

azkiller azelkhunter2 Please revel your names and the organizations your are involved with and the positions you hold I like to know whom i'm talking to Gary Hanson ok I see dave vice pres ADA what was your position with the ADA at the last tag steal attempt

DEJAVUE - Same group- different name - same people trying to " steal " our tags again. getting TAGS is their ultimate goal - PERIOD oh yeah lets not forget the $$$$$ that these premium governor tags bring. the only idea they can come up with is TAGS - kinda a single minded group of people what idea can we come up with to be able to convince these -???????..- I'm not sure what they call us behind closed doors. where are the answers to any of these questions or alternative ideas?? wheres BP john-- or has he changed is login cool aid must have a different flavor and color this year. then the transperancy thing-- - nothings changed with this group JUST SAY No

I tried signing my elk tag Have fun trying to sign your new TAGS First 2 pens did nothing - ink wouldn't show 3 DIFFERNT PENS SIGNATURE STILL LOOKS TERRIBLE GUESS THEY DID NOT TEST WRITE ON THIS PLASTIC good iuck filling out legible information if transport/ shipping is needed

I GUESS WE WANT PROOF! If indeed (whatever the group is calling itself this time) stopped the HSUH. Congrats. How did you do it!? How many man hrs.!? How much money was spent !? Where did those funds come from !? to say transparency-open forum--you've ALREADY FAILED-EVEN PEOPLE IN YOUR OWN GROUPS DIDN'T KNOW--AGAIN Don't just say--- look what we did and we need more money to stop the next time,cuz they'll be back and we want to be prepared--- The only way we can get the money is by raffling/ selling off Arizona's best big game tags/. Last time it was because we needed a new expo- this time to fund the fight! DO not be fooled - JUST SAY NO

few tags don't make me laugh! this the same song and dance as before from the same people who tried to "STEAL" our governors tag last time to fund and expo and pad their pockets and give rich boys all the premium hunts and kill the premium animals anytime of yr. all yr long. they weren't happy with one or 2 tags they wanted hundreds of every specie, in every unit of the state.They want year round access to the best of everything in Arizona . If you think this agenda has changed, you wrong. they'll say anything - do anything to get something they lost last time. please don't fooled this time around. THEY WON'T BE HAPPY WITH ONE OR 2 TAGS If you want Arizona to be the next paid safari land -where these tag grabbers can , buy the best tags and kill the best animals,-- let the rich boys in -- they wlll figure a way to get'm all they have bidding wars now to get these few governors tags. if its a raffle ,most of us might be able to afford a few tickets spend 100 don't think for a minute they haven't figured got ways exploit the system. they got the money to spend and could care less about you or me having a say or a chance at these tags NO NO NO NO NO

GOOD LUCK TO ALL

Come on Mike - we all know the ethical hunting and fair chase rules don't have nothing to do with the way G&F actually works in the field- especially with the buffalo - ethics - fair chase hasn't happened under the supervision of G&F at Raymond ranch for 20+ yrs . only applies when they want to make new rules for hunters do as I say don't worry about what I'm doing!

Is something that needs a ladder-clay molding etc. An Angled cut etc. Not me lol

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all great advise ^^^ - everyone will be different - typically 12ga. shotgun- shooting 3 in shells - is the most commonly used by adults. there are all types of ammo/ turkey loads - from $5 box to $5 a shell 4-6 birdshot is adequate , buy anyplace. want the newst "best" number shot pellets down range at 50 yrds. get the new federal sst. its a 7 or 9 shot that doubles the number of killing pellets at 50 yrds.! like $45 for a box of 5. specifically designed for maximum down range killing power PATTERN whatever load you are going to use all shotguns shoot different.

at least they can try to monitor cams at tanks where there are dozens. to try to monitor any one of the hundreds of natural streams be kinda hard since it does state man made development I would guess that includes any of the lakes here in AZ, as they are all manmade!