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please watch 1:30 into the video - this kinda simulates what happened - from what I've heard it was a similar accident that flipped the boat causing it to capsize- everyone knows hitting a wave at a weird angle can be dangerous - add the wind and the waves on an open lake like pleasant - surprised we don't have more accidents I'm glad to hear all the officers should be ok

why ask if they are biodegradable ? its an unsightly mess in our national forest and shouldn't happen especially if they camp in the area over the yrs - the mess will be there forever - replenished each trip if you google - there are all kinds of answers to that question . 1- quote -- most clay pigeons today are biodegradable. They are comprised of 97% (give or take a little for manufacturer) clay and 3% asphalt pitch. Depending on the size of the pieces it will take 3-5 years for the clay pigeons to break down. There are also biodegradable targets out there too. Most of them are clay and bound by sulfur. it all depends who makes them - some are even covered by a thin plastic which doesn't allow it to be biodegradable some are made of bird seed and other products! the adults need to know what they are doing and leaving is wrong - it makes for future generations of trash shoots!!

By Dennis WagnerThe Republic | azcentralMon May 27, 2013 10:36 PM The alleged embezzlement of public funds by Arizona Game and Fish Department Officer John Romero is among several controversies to plague the agency in recent years: In 2009, Game and Fish employees were intimately involved in the trapping and subsequent death of Macho B, Arizona’s only wild jaguar. The depth of the department’s involvement and its attempts to cover its tracks only became more widely known over the last 18 months. Last month, Game and Fish Commission Chairman Jack Husted resigned amid allegations that he sexually harassed female employees in the agency. His resignation statement said he was sorry that some people misinterpreted a “personal style of communication” that included hugging and joking. It was not Husted’s first taste of controversy. He previously was criticized for encouraging a juvenile hunter to shoot and kill a prairie dog out of season. Nonetheless, remaining Game and Fish commissioners honored Husted two weeks ago after their meeting in Kingman, giving him a lifetime hunting license. John “J.W.” Harris, the new chairman, said the lifetime hunting license was a personal gift bought by commissioners and presented at a private party. Harris said the harassment allegations never resulted in a formal complaint or investigation, and there was no reason for further inquiry because, “It’s over and done with. He’s resigned and is moving on with his life.” Maricopa County Superior Court Judge Crane McClennen awarded Pinetop-area game Warden Shawn Wagner $100,000 in damages, plus attorney fees and back pay, in December after he was suspended in connection with an elk hunt. The judge ruled the department trampled Wagner’s rights and retaliated against him for pointing out “mismanagement and abuse of authority, and potentially a gross waste of monies.” While off-duty in September 2010, court records show, Wagner went bow-hunting with several other current or former wildlife officers and a local judge. Minutes before sunset, Wagner shot and wounded a bull elk, but the animal ran off, leaving a blood trail that hunters could not follow after dark. Considering the wound to be fatal, they agreed to return at dawn to find it. Wagner was scheduled for surgery the next day, so he left his game tag behind for placement on the carcass. But the elk was still standing when located by his companions the next morning, so one of Wagner’s companions finished it off. According to court records, “All the persons there agreed Wagner had inflicted the mortal wound and thus they considered it to be Wagner’s elk, so they decided to put Wagner’s tag on it.” Three Game and Fish law-enforcement supervisors agreed that his tag was used appropriately. But Romero, then head of Operation Game Thief, concluded there were two potential violations regarding the tagging of the kill with a game tag issued to someone who was not present. Game and Fish administrators, concerned about possible headlines, did preliminary interviews to determine if a full investigation was warranted. Wagner balked, arguing that informal questions violated his rights under state law and department policies. He requested intervention from Game and Fish Department Director Larry Voyles. Voyles asked the state Department of Juvenile Corrections to assign an independent investigator. Wagner was interrogated and given a two-day suspension. He appealed to Voyles, who rescinded the suspension but ordered a new probe by the Arizona Department of Corrections. It resulted in reinstatement of the suspension. After exhausting his appeals, Wagner sued Game and Fish for retaliation and won a $100,000 judgment now under challenge. In 2007, Michael Malik Sr., a multimillionaire Michigan developer and casino entrepreneur, paid $135,000 at auction for a year-round permit to hunt elk anywhere in Arizona. Bidding for the so-called “Governor’s Tag” is conducted as an annual Game and Fish fundraiser. Malik reportedly paid thousands of dollars to a Lakeside man who directed him to a trophy elk in a private meadow just outside of town. Shortly after jetting to Arizona, Malik wounded the large bull, which ran to a nearby housing tract and fell to its knees. Members of the hunting party told Wagner, who was patrolling the area, that they had permission to shoot near the homes. Wagner authorized Malik to put the elk out of its misery, according to Malik’s attorney, Bruce Griffen. Griffen said two shots were required. The rifle reports attracted local residents who loved the elk and were horrified at the spectacle. “Women and children were screaming and yelling,” Griffen noted. “The whole thing was horrible.” Wagner confiscated the elk and issued two citations to Malik for shooting unlawfully within a quarter-mile of an occupied residence. At trial in Pinetop-Lakeside Justice Court, Malik was acquitted on one charge but found guilty on another. Griffen said the conviction was overturned on appeal, but reinstated by a higher court. Malik was sentenced to community service and ordered to write an apology letter to the resident on whose land the elk died. The Game and Fish Commission fined Malik nearly $15,000 and banned him from hunting in Arizona and 32 other states for five years. The elk’s head with velveteen antlers, valued at $27,000, now greets visitors at Game and Fish headquarters.

if ya want a true premium tag - needs to be a 3 day season with a trophy statis of minimum - 6x6 bull- you are a trophy hunter and you cant just shoot any ole elk! same for deer a 3 day season- minimum 4x4 pick one unit each yr - similar to the early rifle tags yes an elk tag is an elk tag - cow -spike-big bull should all be the same price reguardless of the time of yr.. when you want to make a privileged hunt then it has to have its own season - we don't need to split up the hunts seasons anymore - if we go down this road with a $200 preminum tag we will eventually start talkin about the pts of the antler system - spike tag cheaper than a 5x5 and a 6x6 or bigger will cost the most - I don't ever want that to happen here in Az. Not everyone wants to tag a huge scoring animal - yes its nice to be able too when they show - makes for a happier hunter but I'd much rather fill my freezer-- sure a huge rack on the wall looks nice and you can brag how big he is but its the meat that feeds the family.

now that's so funny I spit up my drink -- high harvest - i'll bet you money there was not even 20 bucks killed the whole season !! a close friend lives in the heart of 29 retired ranger - if you believe the harvest quotes for G&F he's got some good beachfront property just south of douglas!!

I hate the truck/car where the oil seals are gone - they leave a trail of white smoke for 1/2 a mile - you almost suffocate at the intersection/ stoplight and and my car will fail at .o5 over the limit H20 carbons . seen the same vehicel 3-4 times drivin around - some cop has had to seen it-- an willing ignored it!!

for a family of 4 - an increase of just for premium elk fee - its 367.00 - for premium deer its 268.00 forget all the other increases / decrease in license ----- that's 635 .00 added to all the other expenses to take a family of 4 hunting. sorry but a lot of family's wont be able to take their kids hunting! one of several RULES the G&F uses for standards Hunting and Angling Opportunity for All Opportunity to participate in hunting, angling and wildlife conservation is guaranteed for all in good standing, not by social status or privilege, financial capacity or land ownership. This concept ensures a broad base of financial support and advocacy for research, monitoring, habitat conservation and law enforcement. that's just deer/elk - most kids I know want to do it all - turkey - javelin- antelope etc .. by the time you add up all the increases and especially the ridiculous 13 for just applying , you've put them out of the financial capacity! so much for take a kid fishing/hunting - they are making it financially impossible we should all have the right to hunt elk / deer during the rut - without it costing more !!

like askin a child if it wants icecream and saying we only have chocolate or vanilla- I'd be happy with either one!

Glad to hear he's going to be ok - prayers for full recovery from this accident. safety and knowing where your hunting partners are can turn a fun hunt into a tragic hunt. be safe out there !

did ya troll lures or spinners - haven't been the blue ridge in a lot of yrs. having a boat is the only way to go- very limited shore access

premium elk - premium deer ---- isn't anything more than the rut hunt - everyone knows this is the most desirable time to be hunting them. they've been limiting these hunts for yrs. now they don't want you to go out and hunt at the best time unless you PAY!!! . with split tag fees - paper applications are finished - as we all know was gonna happen anyway . but the only way they can do it is online only!! pay the fee after the draw . guess they got to pay more for a simple computer app- oh yeah we already know the hassle of the online process - now its gonna cost 13$ application fee - total B.S. simplify the licensing and fee structure - like a business - goal of any business - make more money!!

sent you a pm dawg

Shawn - it's simple -it is about the elk!! was a tag left behind for someone else to tag a wounded - presumed dead elk- that's a violation was the the transport portion of the tag- filled out - then the tag could not be used - as stated in the regulations - that's a violation- its that or someone else filled it out - that's a violation when some one else used the tag on an animal the next day - that they had shot and killed - even if it was to finish off the animal - that's a violation if all these things happened and they did according to court documents then the animal was also transported illegally- that's a violation please feel free to correct me if any of these are wrong! you stated you asked for the department to give citations if they thought you or your buddys did anything wrong it's easy to look up all these laws that were broken - the majority of the people here see it very clearly we all know what would have happened if it was any of us!! thousands in fines and loss of hunting/fishing for 5 yrs and same for all involved!! hopefully the 100,000 covered any expenses or lose of pay

probably my lastreport till she actually goes home - from her Mom -- Two short uplifting updates: The first that Becky was ok'd to eat anything she wants. Somebody brought her sushi . Here's the second: There are new movements everyday!! It is just great to see the smile on Becky's face! Today we took her for a ride outside...took her around the courtyard and the see the Fisher House where Sam and I are staying. Then a bit later, when her friend Joe came, we all went out again to get ice cream floats. She worked hard today in PT, OT and speech therapy. Went to the "gym" for physical therapy and did a bit of work on the parallel bars. Still working on getting to an inpatient rehab. Sam plans on going to look at the two possibilities tomorrow. We did find out we could just stay at the Fisher House when she is inpatient elsewhere. God is good and continues to lead us on this road we are on!

we all know that if this was one of us. here's the first of many tickets/ violations - the animal was killed illegally- the tag holder didn't take the kill shot to finish off the animal the animal was tagged illegally- only the tag holder can legally tag an animal- you can not just leave your tag in camp for your hunting buddys- assuming its dead is B.S. which means the animal was transported illegally - I'm sure any game warden would have had a few more for everyone everyone involved would be fined and hunting rights revoked. the court findings that the interpretation of the law didn't cover this CRIME is B.S.

this just in from her husband - "Becky continues to make great progress. It is amazing to think about how she was when I first saw her 2 1/2 wks ago and where she is now. God has certainly been working miracles. PT has worked with her a lot these last 2 days. She was up "walking" with a hemi-walker (a smaller type walker). With support, and helping with her right foot, she walked out to the nurses' desk. She has lifted her right leg and moved her right arm today!! Great to see her do this, but even greater was the expression on her face. A huge smile!! She knows she can do it!! There is a new doctor following her now-he specializes in brain injuries. He said there is still bruising and as that continues to get better, we will see more and more progress. We will be moving her to an inpatient facility within the next couple of days. The doctor said she only has to be there until she is "safe." Until she can move about on her own without falling. He said it could be only a week. Then she will continue with outpatient back here at Naval Medical. There will be more transitions and changes in the next few days. Pray that we will settle in again at a new place. Pray for the skilled medical workers who will continue to work with Becky! Thanks and love to all of you"

I heard the latest charges against the sadistic trio is attempted murder - they had basically left her for dead! one can only hope that they somehow experience the same type brutality in prison - sorry but that's how I feel!

a number of other states actually start the end of march- and run thru the end of may with multiple limits guess Az has a different type of turkey that needs help during the breeding season- not referring to the goulds population!

haven't you guys figured it out yet! by the time our turkey hunts start - 90% of the hens are on nests - we are told this makes it easier to call in love sick Toms ! most hunts in other states start 1 full month before ours!! even on the rez! you figure it out yet!?

Thanks agin for all the prayers Becky is finally back in the USA - naval hospital in San Diego latest report - Written 12 hours ago Becky is all settled into her new room. She has her own nurses and the doctor has already visited. She had a CT and ultrasound this evening. The "team" of doctors will be in early tomorrow morning to give us an update and planGood night for now

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miracle of prayers -- latest update very good-- Written 9 hours ago More good news with each update!! Becky is back at Naval Hospital and continues to improve. She's able to show emotion and has been smiling She gave my mom a thumbs up ("yay for making it to Guam!"). Some friends have come to visit and Becky, and she acknowledges them with a wave. She knows her birthday. Speaking is still difficult but she's able to make out an audible "mom" and "Sam." My mom asked me to share this: she made a comment to Becky about how big her muscles are, and she responded by lifting her left arm and flexing it. What a show off. just kidding. but really. Unfortunately Becky can't yet move her right arm and leg, but she does respond to stimulation on that side. Physical therapy hasn't started yet but I have no doubt that she'll be back on track in no time!! Within the next few weeks Becky will be transported to San Diego Naval Hospital. The good Lord has her - and all of us - in the palm of his hand!! Thank you again everyone!! Romans 8:28 - And we know that in all things, God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

called at 4:45 asked for seconddrawing - no tag for me!

they say yiou can call Wednesday to find out - I doubt your check will post that quickly!!

Update - Becky is breathing on her own and is much better but is not out of danger - still lots of swelling from the beating - her mother arrived in guam this morning and today becky was able to open her "good " eye and seemed to recognize her mother and husband . shes still heavily sedated -- She's able to move a bit more which is a very good sign ! Thanks for all the prayers !!