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I was there. I though it was informative.

N me too . But at my work I'm not a wild life expert who killed an endangered animal. Up to now I've been some what supportive of the dept. But my opinions will be shaped by the punishment handed out. If I accidentally shot a wolf tomorrow and there's a different punishment I think we can all agree that's crap. What if you had been tasked with eliminating another species of wolf that looked very similar and made an honest mistake? He was told to shoot other squirrels on site. It's not like he was out shooting whatever moved for fun. Incidental take as part if a larger recovery effort is not the same as intentional take or take as a result of unrelated activities...nor should it be. There is a reason "incidental take" is a defined term under section 7 of the ESA. who gets to decide what species gets eliminated and what species gets to live?It's outlined in the recovery plan approved by USFW and administered by either the federal or state agency, whichever is assigned to that particular population. Here, the elimination of competing squirrels is sanctioned as part of the recovery plan. The accidental take of the target species as part of official the official recovery plan is designated as an "incidental take." If the take meets the legal definition of an incidental take (which it appears was likely the case here) then there will not be any individual punishment. What's the difference between an agent doing it and you or me? Well, we don't have the authority under the ESA to take the actions that could potentially result in this type of incidental take. The shooting of a red squirrel that's not related to a sanctioned recovery action would be per se actionable. I'll bow out of the conversation because I'll never be convinced the while attempting to wipe out one animal from an area its acceptable to accidentally kill the animal your trying to protect.

me too . But at my work I'm not a wild life expert who killed an endangered animal. Up to now I've been some what supportive of the dept. But my opinions will be shaped by the punishment handed out. If I accidentally shot a wolf tomorrow and there's a different punishment I think we can all agree that's crap. What if you had been tasked with eliminating another species of wolf that looked very similar and made an honest mistake? He was told to shoot other squirrels on site. It's not like he was out shooting whatever moved for fun.Incidental take as part if a larger recovery effort is not the same as intentional take or take as a result of unrelated activities...nor should it be. There is a reason "incidental take" is a defined term under section 7 of the ESA. who gets to decide what species gets eliminated and what species gets to live?

me too . But at my work I'm not a wild life expert who killed an endangered animal. Up to now I've been some what supportive of the dept. But my opinions will be shaped by the punishment handed out. If I accidentally shot a wolf tomorrow and there's a different punishment I think we can all agree that's crap.

i wouldnt hold your breath "While the accidental taking of any endangered species is, of course, regrettable, our wildlife manager in the field self-reported his actions as early and as ethically as possible," ive heard of people "self reporting" and get the whole library thrown at them.

If its a recoil problem. I have m77mk2 in 300wm. All the women in my family prefer it over all my bolt guns. Its got a hogue rifle stock on it. Its very tame. Just a thought

mabee not but head shed has a nice ring to it

For what its worth I would not buy a safe that was not a liberty.

http://phoenix.backpage.com/SportsEquipForSale/reloading-need-brasss/26977745 I saw this and thought of you.

I have the same problem with a PSE. Your in luck, Bow tech makes a "convertion kit"

Don't get much cooler than that.

Mexico is this whole other country with its own laws. In central and south american the ocelot is not endanger.

I build one for predator hunting. I mounted an eotech 5.12 on it. Its light no recoil huge field of view quick follow up shots.I think its the perfect predator weapon. Because I use no magnification it eliminated the need to have a shotgunner at every stand. But I can still aim dead on out to 250y. So easy even a child can use it.

If the govt is running it, im sure it will be successful and under budget.

I wouldn't mind if some ones was to glass next to me. Assuming a few things. They make contact with me. Don't interfer and understand that he who finds the target first had first choice. I'm not taking 200y down a ridge I'm mean right next to me. I have friend to this day I met in this manner.

If the screen name you want is taken so you just add a few numbers to someone's elses

Looks like the buck on the left has side burns.

its kinda like a shooter buck you know it when you see it

Sun devil is top notch.

Cabelas has them in the bargain cave online every now and again

I have weather tech floor liners in my f350. Dropped a large soda the other day. They contained it all I did is pull over remove the whole d/s liner dump it and stick it back in.

Side by side but I'd stick with arctic cat.

Not much of a story. He walked into us while we were glassing. My buddy missed at 30yards. I ran back to my pack/rifle. Climbed a rock pile and i rolled him at 130y off hand while he was at a dead run while wearing my lucky cwt.com shirt.

I get the pre packages

I'll be in 20c