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http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2016/200/867/2016-200867381-0dc5bd6a-9.pdf from their IRS 990 form. Give me a minute and I will put it on that spreadsheet from earlier

I may be wrong on this, so somebody please fact check me. If it is run like the governors tags. They will be given to an organization that represents that species, (that's where 100% comes from) of which its business as normal for that nonprofit. Taking xx amount for administration fees and the rest going to said project. . Once again not 100% on this and I will have to do more research once available. If you look at the donations for AZFWC most of the money is given to the boards pet projects.

Yep totally understand. Very likely their will be a percentage given to auctioneers (COPD or AZFWC) for a fee like in utah. lets say 30% like utah. Do you think their will not be a financial gain for the presenters? If you want I can update that spreadsheet I created a little earlier to show where where the 'charitiable monies' went for Azfwc

Obviously I am not privy to the close door meetings. But if walks like a duck and talks like a duck then ..... AZFWC was founded by Pete C. at the direction of Don Peay the founder of Utah SFW. (If I saying something incorrectly please let me know)They have a noted connection (google the names together). Coop for whatever they are calling themselves and AZFWC have essentially the same players. Now, honestly, do you think there is not a connection between the three?

little too late to do the right thing now isnt it? Our department should have made education a priority with the millions they receive in funding. Their education budget may have been low but who's fault is that? Theirs. They have all the power to put whatever money they please towards educating people. But they relaxed and didnt think they needed to. Well guess what? Now they know they needed to. And to fix it quick they offer up our tags as sacrifice. I'd bet if every employee at game and fish took a $1000 pay cut and wardens didnt get new trucks every year they'd have all the money they'd ever want for education. But that will never happen. Instead let's use publics tags to make up for us being stupid and lazy. G&F has a surplus of money. Thats how you can explain the billboards around the valley with owls on it or a four year old with a sun fish.

you would agree that this group and AZFWC have a great many of the same participants. Don Peay according to some help create AZFWC. They may not be the same but they have the same parents. http://www.coueswhitetail.com/forums/topic/30760-hb2072-letter-from-azsfw/

Information taken from http://azsfwc.org/about/ and the email Jay Scott printed in regards to Conserve protect arizona. I added the arrows. Forgot to credit column on the right is the AZFWC board of Directors.

Let's play the game, Google this "Utah Sportsman for fish and wildlife" https://www.gohunt.com/read/news/utah-division-of-wildlife-under-fire-for-possible-corruption#gs.cqSUHD8

What year did they start they tag program?

What is the name of the Utah version Azsfwc? I want to do some before and after comparisons?

you can go to guidestar.org and download their Non profit 990 forms. I just did.... Here's the info from 2016 990 Total revenue $169,818 Totals Grants $145,430 Management costs $5,154 Advertising expense $11,435 Get your facts right, facts don't have feelings What I saw on their 990 was net assets of 235816 and project expeditures as 90500. Dividing the little number into the big number I came up with total. Let me know if I am wrong. It wont be the first time.

you can go to guidestar.org and download their Non profit 990 forms. Side note. I am not a member of any Hunting organization other than SCI. That does not mean I do not do things that help promote hunting in AZ. Last year alone I took three people hunting that have never hunted. I took a couple of wounded warriors antelope archery antelope hunting and I will always go into the most liberal non hunting place and tell them the benefits of hunting to wildlife and free range meat.

After some quick research AZSFWC or whatever their acronym is. Approximately 72% of money collected in 2016 went to Admin fees. (guidestar.org)

Allocating tags for money is a tax. I pay my share in taxes but I would prefer not to pay excessive taxes. Now who is the democrat?Nobody is mandating that you pay. If they allow the taking of state resource, which I am native resident of, than I am paying that tax. So are you. No you don't have to participate in the raffle or draw however you do get the benefit of the "tax" that others voluntarily pay. I wouldn't benefit. I do not need an organization of questionable interest taking tags from one of my friends or neighbors to educate people that hunting is good. I can on my own, without auction money, tell non hunters that hunting is great.

AZGFD is not running at deficient. By all means feel free to give them any money you want, though.

Allocating tags for money is a tax. I pay my share in taxes but I would prefer not to pay excessive taxes. Now who is the democrat? Nobody is mandating that you pay. If they allow the taking of state resource, which I am native resident of, than I am paying that tax. So are you.

And give it to highest bidder?

Allocating tags for money is a tax. I pay my share in taxes but I would prefer not to pay excessive taxes. Now who is the democrat?

So if I am understanding this idea and it gets turned into law it will create a sort of Socioeconomic level to hunting. Where the richest 1 or 2 percent get the best tags and us poor commoners will get to hunt jack rabbits, javelina and they occasional cow elk. If we follow the money line farther the guides that take these new annual tag holders will benefit. The administrators will pad there pockets with high admin fees for these new tags and the only ones that will not, are hunters that have waited there entire lives for a tag that is farther out of reach. Its not the message that have people up in arms, its the messengers. They have an obvious vested interest in taking from the citizens of Arizona and cashing in into what apparently is a Scottsdale address after looking at their board of directors. I have known mafia members and drug runners with more integrity than some of these non profits. Cap the admin fees at say 5% and watch this initiative die.

But they have a new name so it must be better right?

Saguaro-I think this is what you are looking for. I was sent this and it was one of the things I read on my podcast Episode 424 -----Original Message----- From: Jason Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:22 AM To: info@conserveandprotectaz.org Subject: Input re: Tag Grab I dont feel like getting into too many details at this time, but i am against the tag grab in any form, and will fight it just as hard as i did last time. I knew it would pop up again and i am ready to start fighting against it. You guys are unbelievable. To: Jason and all Arizona sportsmen and women. Jason since you were the first to react so strongly to what was discussed on Jay Scott’s podcast, I thought I would respond to you; but I also want as many as possible of Arizona’s sportsmen and women to hear it as well. Please spread the word! Conserve and Protect Arizona (CAPAZ) has just prevented the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) from stopping all mountain lion and bobcat hunting in Arizona. That immediate threat is gone, but will they come back? Only time will tell, and shame on us if we are not prepared to defend ourselves in the future! Who is Conserve and Protect Arizona? It was formed by a small group of sportsmen with financial help from some of the states most well known sportsmen conservation organizations. The Arizona Desert Bighorn Sheep Society, Arizona Elk Society, Arizona Deer Association, Arizona Antelope Foundation, Yuma Valley Rod and Gun Club, Arizona Bowhunters Association and the Arizona Chapter of the National Wild Turkey Federation, and some houndsmen and women, all made contributions. The 35 member organizations, including those listed earlier, of Arizona Sportsmen for Wildlife Conservation also signed on in support of CAPAZ. For the past year CAPAZ has been working to deny the HSUS signature gatherers from collecting the 151,000 + signatures they needed to qualify their initiative. We jumped in and did this because, by law, the Arizona Game and Fish Department cannot defend themselves. Once an initiative is filed they are precluded from commenting and spending any department funds to defeat it. We did it quietly behind the scenes and without any media coverage. They didn’t know what we were doing and didn’t even know about us until it was too late. On March 31st, after six months of effort and with only a small number of signatures collected, HSUS suspended their campaign. This is the first time in twenty-five years, and eighty-one ballot measures the HSUS has pulled out of a campaign. Thanks to all of those who supported the CAPAZ effort, or made contributions, this is an important victory we can all share! With the history behind us lets look at where we are now. CAPAZ had to run a quiet underground campaign because we did not have the three to five million dollars necessary to run a traditional campaign to educate the voters. Our plan worked once, but now with HSUS aware of our effort they are educated. We are back to trying to find a way to defend ourselves. It will take the education of the voting public and millions of dollars to make this happen in order to effectively defend us against another HSUS effort. How do we raise the money? Do you have a plan? Do you have donors willing to write big checks? Can we rely on you to take this on and defend hunting and the professional wildlife management of the Arizona Game & Fish Department and Commission? Where were you on the HSUS issue we just brought to an end? These are the questions we had to answer at CAPAZ. Our collective work turned the issue in our favor and sent the HSUS packing. Now we are focused on “Going Forward” and defending wildlife, the Arizona Game and Fish Department, the Arizona Game & Fish Commission, and all Arizona Sportsmen and Women. Listen to what we have to say and give us a fair chance too make our case! What happened in 2012 is far different then what CAPAZ is doing today. All of the organizations listed earlier were opposed to that effort. Today, we are working with them and soliciting their input on this issue. Let me make one other thing very clear, none of these organizations have been asked to support any proposal for a special tag program. They are participating in our effort to take this to sportsmen and women and discuss a concept of raising funds for public education through the sale of a limited number of special tags. Through a collaborative effort with all stakeholders we want to try and establish a program which educates the people of Arizona about the importance of professional wildlife management, the support of hunters and anglers and how this is important to wildlife, wildlife management, and wildlife habitat. The Facts from Conserve and Protect Arizona: Conserve and Protect Arizona will not get a dime of this money. Meetings started last week to discuss this concept and more will continue in the future. At this time no legislation is written supporting this concept. This effort is being discussed with the Arizona Game & Fish Department and Commission. If this program is established, the Arizona Game & Fish Department will administer it, not an outside organization. Our suggestion is that a managing committee, similar to the Habitat Partnership Committee, be established to administer it. The Special Commissioners tags that currently support the Habitat Partnership process will not be used for education. Only the new tags authorized under the program will be used for education. We are not advocating for any particular number of tags. This would be determined in the future development of the program. All sportsmen and women together, are small in number when compared to the entire population. We cannot afford to lose anyone in our effort to remain viable in our pursuit of the outdoors. Join with us to insure we have a strong voice in determining that future In closing, let me assure you we want your constructive comments and concerns. We are trying to involve as many as possible so that product we produce can be support by the great majority of sportsmen and women. Conserve and Protect Arizona Board Pete Cimellaro, President Rich Williams, Vice President Tracy Unmacht Secretary Charlie Kelly, Treasurer Eddy Corona, Director Jim Unmacht, Director John Koleszar, Director Brad Remfrey, Director PS: We would not have put this out on Jay’s podcast if we were trying to keep it from you! Contact us: info@conserveandprotectaz.org google the names on this list. I think more money would go to wildlife if it was given to a heroine user with a cardboard sign off of I-10 then these guys.

Just a couple of questions Jay Scott and Pete Cimallero will you profit directly or indirectly by having the creation of these elitist tags, either by commission from the sale of these tags or the guiding of hunts on these permits or otherwise? A year or so ago a spokesman for G&F mentioned they had a surplus in funds, what has changed in that time and/or if they have a financial surplus why would you want to deplete a limited resource of the citizens of Arizona(permits), by taking away from the random draw and giving them to highest bidder?

few more from the last few months of 2017

Thanks