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Allocating tags for money is a tax. I pay my share in taxes but I would prefer not to pay excessive taxes. Now who is the democrat?

So if I am understanding this idea and it gets turned into law it will create a sort of Socioeconomic level to hunting. Where the richest 1 or 2 percent get the best tags and us poor commoners will get to hunt jack rabbits, javelina and they occasional cow elk. If we follow the money line farther the guides that take these new annual tag holders will benefit. The administrators will pad there pockets with high admin fees for these new tags and the only ones that will not, are hunters that have waited there entire lives for a tag that is farther out of reach. Its not the message that have people up in arms, its the messengers. They have an obvious vested interest in taking from the citizens of Arizona and cashing in into what apparently is a Scottsdale address after looking at their board of directors. I have known mafia members and drug runners with more integrity than some of these non profits. Cap the admin fees at say 5% and watch this initiative die.

But they have a new name so it must be better right?

Saguaro-I think this is what you are looking for. I was sent this and it was one of the things I read on my podcast Episode 424 -----Original Message----- From: Jason Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 12:22 AM To: info@conserveandprotectaz.org Subject: Input re: Tag Grab I dont feel like getting into too many details at this time, but i am against the tag grab in any form, and will fight it just as hard as i did last time. I knew it would pop up again and i am ready to start fighting against it. You guys are unbelievable. To: Jason and all Arizona sportsmen and women. Jason since you were the first to react so strongly to what was discussed on Jay Scott’s podcast, I thought I would respond to you; but I also want as many as possible of Arizona’s sportsmen and women to hear it as well. Please spread the word! Conserve and Protect Arizona (CAPAZ) has just prevented the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) from stopping all mountain lion and bobcat hunting in Arizona. That immediate threat is gone, but will they come back? Only time will tell, and shame on us if we are not prepared to defend ourselves in the future! Who is Conserve and Protect Arizona? It was formed by a small group of sportsmen with financial help from some of the states most well known sportsmen conservation organizations. The Arizona Desert Bighorn Sheep Society, Arizona Elk Society, Arizona Deer Association, Arizona Antelope Foundation, Yuma Valley Rod and Gun Club, Arizona Bowhunters Association and the Arizona Chapter of the National Wild Turkey Federation, and some houndsmen and women, all made contributions. The 35 member organizations, including those listed earlier, of Arizona Sportsmen for Wildlife Conservation also signed on in support of CAPAZ. For the past year CAPAZ has been working to deny the HSUS signature gatherers from collecting the 151,000 + signatures they needed to qualify their initiative. We jumped in and did this because, by law, the Arizona Game and Fish Department cannot defend themselves. Once an initiative is filed they are precluded from commenting and spending any department funds to defeat it. We did it quietly behind the scenes and without any media coverage. They didn’t know what we were doing and didn’t even know about us until it was too late. On March 31st, after six months of effort and with only a small number of signatures collected, HSUS suspended their campaign. This is the first time in twenty-five years, and eighty-one ballot measures the HSUS has pulled out of a campaign. Thanks to all of those who supported the CAPAZ effort, or made contributions, this is an important victory we can all share! With the history behind us lets look at where we are now. CAPAZ had to run a quiet underground campaign because we did not have the three to five million dollars necessary to run a traditional campaign to educate the voters. Our plan worked once, but now with HSUS aware of our effort they are educated. We are back to trying to find a way to defend ourselves. It will take the education of the voting public and millions of dollars to make this happen in order to effectively defend us against another HSUS effort. How do we raise the money? Do you have a plan? Do you have donors willing to write big checks? Can we rely on you to take this on and defend hunting and the professional wildlife management of the Arizona Game & Fish Department and Commission? Where were you on the HSUS issue we just brought to an end? These are the questions we had to answer at CAPAZ. Our collective work turned the issue in our favor and sent the HSUS packing. Now we are focused on “Going Forward” and defending wildlife, the Arizona Game and Fish Department, the Arizona Game & Fish Commission, and all Arizona Sportsmen and Women. Listen to what we have to say and give us a fair chance too make our case! What happened in 2012 is far different then what CAPAZ is doing today. All of the organizations listed earlier were opposed to that effort. Today, we are working with them and soliciting their input on this issue. Let me make one other thing very clear, none of these organizations have been asked to support any proposal for a special tag program. They are participating in our effort to take this to sportsmen and women and discuss a concept of raising funds for public education through the sale of a limited number of special tags. Through a collaborative effort with all stakeholders we want to try and establish a program which educates the people of Arizona about the importance of professional wildlife management, the support of hunters and anglers and how this is important to wildlife, wildlife management, and wildlife habitat. The Facts from Conserve and Protect Arizona: Conserve and Protect Arizona will not get a dime of this money. Meetings started last week to discuss this concept and more will continue in the future. At this time no legislation is written supporting this concept. This effort is being discussed with the Arizona Game & Fish Department and Commission. If this program is established, the Arizona Game & Fish Department will administer it, not an outside organization. Our suggestion is that a managing committee, similar to the Habitat Partnership Committee, be established to administer it. The Special Commissioners tags that currently support the Habitat Partnership process will not be used for education. Only the new tags authorized under the program will be used for education. We are not advocating for any particular number of tags. This would be determined in the future development of the program. All sportsmen and women together, are small in number when compared to the entire population. We cannot afford to lose anyone in our effort to remain viable in our pursuit of the outdoors. Join with us to insure we have a strong voice in determining that future In closing, let me assure you we want your constructive comments and concerns. We are trying to involve as many as possible so that product we produce can be support by the great majority of sportsmen and women. Conserve and Protect Arizona Board Pete Cimellaro, President Rich Williams, Vice President Tracy Unmacht Secretary Charlie Kelly, Treasurer Eddy Corona, Director Jim Unmacht, Director John Koleszar, Director Brad Remfrey, Director PS: We would not have put this out on Jay’s podcast if we were trying to keep it from you! Contact us: info@conserveandprotectaz.org google the names on this list. I think more money would go to wildlife if it was given to a heroine user with a cardboard sign off of I-10 then these guys.

Just a couple of questions Jay Scott and Pete Cimallero will you profit directly or indirectly by having the creation of these elitist tags, either by commission from the sale of these tags or the guiding of hunts on these permits or otherwise? A year or so ago a spokesman for G&F mentioned they had a surplus in funds, what has changed in that time and/or if they have a financial surplus why would you want to deplete a limited resource of the citizens of Arizona(permits), by taking away from the random draw and giving them to highest bidder?

few more from the last few months of 2017

Thanks

Point Guard?

My attempt at doing a euro. Next time Ill spend the 100 bucks and go to a taxidermist

Its official 24th in SCI with a very conservative score

I think that is called instagram

Nephews take from today

Just satisfying my curiosity of what would be better?

I may be the exception to the rule, but the couple of times I reached out to G&F they gave me everything I asked for and more complete with GPS coordinates and times to hunt.

my nephew found one while fishing

I think we have a lack of water and therefore the habitat for a viable moose population. wallows and bogs

I think the way its worded they could prove intent, simply by proving you have a hunting license. I think with this ban, deer and elk will get bigger and hunting will become hunting again. Not a hybrid form of fishing that many of the trail cam guys practice.

They made your other two favorite things legal? Heroine and hookers...

Last season I was hunting above 10,000 feet on thanksgiving in a t shirt

after much consideration, I am going with the sheep tag mainly because its once in a lifetime and I imagine even sheep would be challenging with archery equipment. Interesting no one has mentioned coues whatsoever (including myself)

I’m by no means an expert,but I have found several vintage recurves at swap meets for less than 30.00 dollars. You may want to consider getting one of those to start with. The one thing I discovered when hunting with a recurve is ‘flow’ matters more than anything. That is to say that let things form don’t force the situation. I’ve taken a Coues with my bow and this year I will try for an elk. Good luck close range hunting imo is one of the greatest accomplishments in hunting.

IMO stay AWAY from decoys, wearing white, or any other trick/gimmick that comes up and just hunt. from my experience the majority of time they just run the other way. no way, even if they dont work im making a full antelope suit with one of them antelope head hats. if nothing else it will be hilarious I saw that in unit 1 on my brothers hunt a few years ago. We spooked a herd towards the road, then the costume party began. First came the decoy guy, then the guy in a painters suit, and finished with the guy with the hat. The antelope look at them like them like they were stupid and went the opposite way. Well I'm gonna be a 2 person costume I just need someone to be the back end. Looking for the second man on your human centipede costume? Lol, you volunteering? Ill send my representative

IMO stay AWAY from decoys, wearing white, or any other trick/gimmick that comes up and just hunt. from my experience the majority of time they just run the other way. no way, even if they dont work im making a full antelope suit with one of them antelope head hats. if nothing else it will be hilarious I saw that in unit 1 on my brothers hunt a few years ago. We spooked a herd towards the road, then the costume party began. First came the decoy guy, then the guy in a painters suit, and finished with the guy with the hat. The antelope look at them like them like they were stupid and went the opposite way. Well I'm gonna be a 2 person costume I just need someone to be the back end. Looking for the second man on your ‘human centipede’ costume?

IMO stay AWAY from decoys, wearing white, or any other trick/gimmick that comes up and just hunt. from my experience the majority of time they just run the other way. no way, even if they dont work im making a full antelope suit with one of them antelope head hats. if nothing else it will be hilarious I saw that in unit 1 on my brothers hunt a few years ago. We spooked a herd towards the road, then the costume party began. First came the decoy guy, then the guy in a painters suit, and finished with the guy with the hat. The antelope look at them like them like they were stupid and went the opposite way.

Ive been successful in the past. I had the late season archery last year, I did not take a bull, but I saw over 100 (600 cows)and I passed up some bulls that people questioned my sanity on A few photos from last season