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Dave, Just curious who uses the money? Is it the critter groups? The PDF shows how the money is used, but who does the work? Fred

I am still working something out in my head, who gets the HPC money

less than 1% according to handout. So lets say .5%. that means about 500 elk tags, 1000 dear tags, 20 antelope tags, etc (let me know if my math is wrong) First off let me say I'm totaling against any tag grab effort out there, with that being said the best I can tell the total number of draw tags is around 113,963 so 1% of that would be about 1,139. I think the total number of elk was around 14,000 so even if you said 15,000 1% would be 150, deer around 49,000 so 1% would be 490 and antelope around 500 so 1% would be about 5 tags, I'll say it again though I think 1 more tag taken from the public is 1 to m It was called a workshop.

less than 1% according to handout. So lets say .5%. that means about 500 elk tags, 1000 dear tags, 20 antelope tags, etc (let me know if my math is wrong)

He represents me and people like me that do not have an affiliation. The average hunter that would rather hunt, talk hunting and keep permit system although not perfect the way it is.

Do you mind providing a few examples of how the average hunter has been negatively effected in Utah? I keeping hearing that the Utah system has been hindered by the tags but Im not hearing any facts such as lower tags, decreased opportunity for youth, higher predator numbers, tag price increases above the norm...... i dont know much about Utah, thanks. Utah.PNG I can play this game all day

Do you mind providing a few examples of how the average hunter has been negatively effected in Utah? I keeping hearing that the Utah system has been hindered by the tags but Im not hearing any facts such as lower tags, decreased opportunity for youth, higher predator numbers, tag price increases above the norm...... i dont know much about Utah, thanks.

I should have been driving roads

Can you point me to where the meeting information is posted? https://www.azgfd.com/agency/commission/meetingschedule/ I think Leviathan (absolute power corrupts absolutely) has hit the game and fish commission and Arizona Hunting hierarchy. Whether you are for the tag grab or against it; let the commission know they represent the residents of Arizona, the animals of Arizona, and Hunting in Arizona and personal interest are secondary when it comes to the positions they hold. Jim Ammons, Chairman jammons@azgfd.gov No Department issued cell phone, no direct line. Jim Zieler jzieler@azgfd.gov No Department issued cell phone, no direct line. Eric Sparks e.sparks@azgfd.gov 602-309-7311 cell phone, no direct line. Kurt Davis k.davis@azgfd.gov No Department issued cell phone, no direct line. Bill Bake b.brake@azgfd.gov 832-693-0572 cell phone, no direct line. Ty Gray, Director tgray@azgfd.gov No Department issued cell phone, direct line 623-236-7100 Tom Finley, Dep.Dir. tfinley@azgfd.gov 928-713-1545 cell phone, direct line 623-236-7278 Kent Komadina kko madina@azgfd.gov No Department issued cell phone, direct line 623-236-7288 Irene Guzman iguzman@azgfd.gov No Department issued cell phone, direct line 623-236-7283.

That idea is dead. Pete just wants a ‘few hundred’ tags to suit his needs.

Dave, After a couple of start-stops and essentially being to told to go to my room, because the big kids are talking, the majority of the board (with the exception of Pete)had the same idea you did; that it needed to be presented to the commission. A few good minds did that proposal on a weekend. Just think what we are going to do by the next commission meeting. I am already formulating the outline. Fred

We have to remind G&F and the commission that they wrote in the rules that hunting is not for the elites, its for everyone. Attached is the copy of the proposal that we created that would increase money for outdoor education by two million dollars. That the CAPAZ guys have now shot down and spit on. Paying for Education of Non Hunters.pdf

Had to let them play their hand. Now its time to end them.

Bruce, Can you list the emails of the people we need to voice our opinion too. Jay Scott mentioned that Sneaky Pete's opinion is greater than the average hunter so we will need a thousand emails opposing his opinion and passionate support at the meetings. Also, who are the companies that support CAPAZ time for a boycott. The draw system is AZ's version of the Sacred Cow, Sneaky Pete just made hamburger out of it and then pee'd on the hamburger. Fred

Fortunately, everything in the greater show low area has burned. Cant wait to hear "when I am camping in the white mountains I want a camp fire" then a day later everything is cooked.

May 4th is the day we find out their next move. May 5th those opposed to the tag grab can use that facebook thing to either put them on blast or pat their back for the good work they do.

those guys were for the 2012 initiative. They really love special interest tags, that's where they make their money. They do shoot great animals with the great tags.

I had a pistol stolen from my truck over the weekend and with dismemberment of Backpage.com I was wondering what pages still sold guns? I would like to find the person that had the courage to steal something and shake their hand.

My full expectation for Monday's meeting was to get shot down and destroyed by the commission and in turn I would have used their responses to turn the 'mob' into a rebellion. With one very notable exception they would at least consider the ideas proposed. Either way, I eagerly look forward to the May 4th meeting. And Either way I will be prepared for their next move.

what has changed, as far as your perspective? I thought there was some solid ideas put on the table. Speaking for me personally, my perspective of the board has changed. I first thought they were all unified on the tag grab. Now I feel the majority are looking for legitimate ways to go forward. the lack of new blood is apparent because they have a tendency to fixate and focus on the hsus issue when the topic has changed to recruitment and retention.

I think we gave them something to think about, but judging by Petes conversation that I overheard in the parking lot, its not over.

this like trying to get caught up mid season of walking dead or lost or name your favorite soap opera. Basics from what I understand. There are two sides to CAPAZ, one is the educational side that wants the tags or some sort of funding to educate the 70% of Arizonans that do not have an opinion on hunting. Their suggestion was permits because, unless somebody comes up with another idea, that is the easiest way to create money for education. The other side is the 501C side that wants to take on the political fight with the HSUS. (guys that want to stop hunting) Because the two are closely (essentially the same people) related but separate there are concerns that the 501c side (private donors that can stay in the shadows) will be funded by the rich guys that want to hunt every year with the tags generated from the education side. Personally I would like to see a death match of the hunting extremist and the HSUS extremist and a meteor falls from the sky and squashes them all.

and was being against the mountain lion ban also just simply "good enough" for you, or did you demand better than good enough and actually do something? you are crossing the two issues. The fight with HSUS is with the 501C side of CAPAZ, the tag grab is on the education side of CAPAZ. The cylindrical argument is your own creation. Please don't mix the two to suit your needs.

It's not hate for the guys that can afford the tags. I have yet to work for a poor person. It's the people around them that want some of what they have that are usually the issue. Ooooohh so now if you know a rich person that hunts you're a problem. Got it. No you don't. If you are trying to get your cut and change the game from said rich person, and for said rich person hunting, than you are the problem. AZKILLER are you the problem?

It's not hate for the guys that can afford the tags. I have yet to work for a poor person. It's the people around them that want some of what they have that are usually the issue.