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The .243 is hands down the better multi-purpose cartridge listed but there are others out there as well. The .260 Rem or 6.5 Creed would also be great choices and allow for a bit more power and range on the top end of the spectrum with 85-90gr bullet options for the yotes at blistering speeds. The .257 Roberts mentioned above would be an outstanding rig as well.

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If you reload, the .260 makes the most sense as you should already have plenty of .243 brass you can simply neck up and be on your way. If you are looking for high quality factory ammo at a decent price that is relatively easy to find then the Creed is the way to go. Ballistically there is really only about 50fps difference between the two.

So again your saying without actually saying it is that you are shooting or going to be shooting a Lapua because it works so great at long range and drops elk where they stand and yet claim you don't care what the BC is. I hate to say it but you really can't have one without the other. Bigger caliber, heaver bullet results in a higher BC just the way it works. Make that same shot with a .300 or any other suitable caliber for that matter and the bull would have likely died just as quickly. As you have pointed out so many times before it helps when you hit them in the right place. Just to clarify a bit the O.P. asked what bullet to shoot out of his .300 Win Mag. The fact that you can't answer a simple question such as what bullet proves you are a lot dumber than I have previously given you credit for. Anyone here with half a brain and who has done even a little bit of shooting understands the point I am trying to make. If you are half as good as you claim you are and done half the hunting and shooting you claim you have, you know I'm right too. You just don't want to admit here in front of all your friends. I'm tired of explaining myself over and over again on this topic, It's obvious there is no getting through and no one especially the O.P. is getting anything out of this.

Never said anything about being unethical just not needed. I love how you guys keep putting words in my mouth. And I love how you keep proving my point. Let me ask you this. Why are you shooting .338 lapuas? List me a few reasons and then ask why it's so bad I suggest heavy for caliber high BC bullets for the .300.

I will never deny the .338 Lapua offers outstanding ballistics but I will defend to my dying breath that it is not needed to hunt elk or especially these little deer. There comes a point where it becomes more compensation than anything else. I for one am very comfortable with the size of my whoop stick. Those with itty bitty ones shoot .338 lapuas.

Wow I could post pics of dead critters too but it still wouldn't change the fact that higher BCs will drift less in the wind, retain more energy and provide flatter trajectories. This is proven scientifically beyond a doubt. I have never once in this thread said that you "have" to shoot a higher BC bullet I have only been proving the advantages of doing so. I also never said any one should shoot a partition at that range. What I posted was simply a what if scenario to show what can be accomplished with a higher BC. Don't take things so personally and seriously it's only the internet. Step outside and go shoot a ballistically inferior bullet at something, take a picture and calm down. And yes I did kill a deer at over 1200 yards and I didn't need a super duper magnum to do it. A high BC bullet was used though and it worked like a champ.

Sorry got mixed up in who I was talking to.

Oh for heck sakes. It was only an example what an improved BC can do for you. Pick a caliber I don't care which one and the results will be the same. Nothing misleading about the drifts at all. The higher BC bullet will always have less. Always. The only thing that's way under threshold in this thread is your Stanford - Binet test scores. FYI you wanted to know what difference a .400 vs. .500 BC would be. The bullets I compared closely match those parameters while staying caliber specific for an apples to apples comparison. I'm sorry you didn't like the answers.

1422 fps for the Nosler Partition 1631 fps for the Berger VLD

Depending on the caliber and the cartridge you could be looking at a few feet of drop and 2 feet of windage at longer ranges. While drop is not hard to deal with the wind drift is the critical difference with long range shots where a couple of inches could mean a less than ideal shot placement or a miss. Take for example the .270 Winchester and a deer at 800 Yards. Hunter #1 is shooting a 140gr Nosler Partition at 3000 fps with a BC of .405 in standard conditions Drop at 800 yards = 183 inches 10mph wind drift at 800 yards = 65 inches Retained Energy at 800 yards = 628 ft lbs Hunter # 2 is also shooting a 270 Winchester but he is using a 140gr Berger VLD at 3000 fps with a BC of .487 in standard conditions Drop at 800 yards = 162 inches 10mph wind drift at 800 yards = 51 inches Retained Energy at 800 yards = 827 ft lbs .082 difference in BC alone accounts for 21 inches of less drop, 14 inches of less drift and 200 ft lbs more energy at 800 yards in favor of the bullet with the higher BC. Keep in mind this is just a comparison of bullets with the same weight just different shapes. If hunter #2 was using an even heavier for caliber bullet say 150gr the numbers are even greater in his favor. Both bullets will do the job just fine and yes the animal may not know the difference but the shooter sure would. If each hunter were to hold off for wind the same amount Hunter #1 may very will miss that deer at 800 yards. Knowing your rifle and how it performs with whatever bullet you choose is most important but to say a higher BC doesn't really matter is just foolish. Minimizing the environmental effects appllied to your bullet during flight and maximizing the potential on target makes sense to me.

So what your telling me is the .338 Lapua is shooting a bigger, heavier high BC bullet and its really working well. Seems like your proving my point to me.

If the hunter doesn't care about down range energy, retained velocity for proper expansion or minimized wind drift you are exactly right. We all know this just isn't the case other wise people wouldn't be hunting Elk with .338 Lapuas.

Yep and it sold quick. Sorry.

I have no interest in catching anybody, hunting isn't a competition except between you and the animal. Congratulations on making some long range shots good for you, they still would have been easier to do with a higher BC bullet. I understand that a high bc doesn't make a hunting bullet but the fact remains that there are some outstanding very high BC hunting bullets on the market right now. Not using the highest BC heaviest bullet that your rifle will shoot is leaving something on the table especially when talking about the big .30 cals and the ever-present possibility of a long shot. Shoot what you want I don't care, I am only trying to explain why I would choose to shoot a high BC heavy bullet and the advantages of doing so.

Much easier to do with a good BC. Try it sometime. It's like throwing a frisbee in the wind or a football in the wind, one of them flies way better in the wind than the other.

Let me guess, not one of them killed at over 400 yards where a good BC even comes into play. I will be the first to say Elk can be killed with just about anything, I am not a proponent of magnum calibers at all but if there is chance that I might have an opportunity at a quality bull at extended ranges I would make sure I had the equipment and practice under my belt to make the shot and make it count. A better BC minimizes mistakes made by the shooter in wind estimation and helps ensure a hit. Take for example a hunter had an actual 13mph wind cross wind but only estimated a 10mph wind. A heavy for caliber high BC bullet may be off a couple inches from the point of aim and still result in a vital hit where as a light weight lower BC bullet may produce a less than ideal hit or complete miss in the same 3mph wind miscalculation.

The Berger has a BC .058 higher than the Litz Measured .633 for the 208 Amax. Both great bullets.

Depending on cartridge, I have Berger HVLDs and Hybrids (and SMKs too) shoot very well from .010" to .150" off the lands. No need to jam them. Unless that is what your gun likes. Totally agree. I only have one rifle that prefers the Bergers jammed in the lands and thats the Wife's bench gun 6mmBR. Everyhtnig else seems to like .025" off the lands.

If you're going to shoot a magnum make it worth while and shoot the heaviest highest ballistic coefficient bullet possible and maximize the potential. Lance has already said it but the heavy Bergers are where it's at with the .300s. Since you made the comment about not having to touch the lands to make them shoot well I am going to assume you are not a Berger fan. The 215 Hybrids are much easier to tune and are absolutely devastating on game.

7mm barrel & WSSM brass sold.

Cleaning out the gun room of stuff I don't need, located in Safford. 1: Shilen Select Match Stainless 6.5x47 Lapua barrel for Remington Model 700. 24" long 8 twist sporter contour. Round count unknown but rifling still looks great. SPF 2: Remington 700 .270 Take off barrel, this one is well used but crown and rifling still look good. $50 Shipped 3: Weatherby Mark V Standard .22-250 Take off. Used unknown round count SPF. 4: 77 Pieces of Winchester .223 WSSM brass 40 pieces once fired and 33 twice fired that have been full length sized and ready to load. SPF 5: RCBS Full length sizer and Seater die .223 WSSM like new. $40.00 6: New Nosler 6.5 Creedmoor brass. 15 once fired and 35 new primed with CCI LR primers ready to load. $70 Shipped. 7: Assortment of new and used Savage factory takeoff barrels .22-250, .270, 7mm Mag, .308, .30-06. $60 for new barrels $40 for used, Shipped. Items are cross posted so first PM by time stamp wins.

Weatherby Barrel SPF. .270 barrels gone as well. .30-06's, 7mm Mag still available.

At first no. I had the .25-06 sold over on Savage shooters first then the buyer backed out. So yeah CJ is next in line for it and we are currently discussing purchase details. The 6.5x47 sold in a matter of minutes over on long range hunting unfortunately for CJ. Savage .270 barrels sold pending funds.