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Ill take the password also if you could. I forgot it again

I havent seen this answered either. It was asked at the meeting but there wasnt much of an answer. I would like to know if this group will push for a license increase/ stamp if they get enough push back on tags. Or at least present both ideas side by side to the commission. My next question would be- Is the group going to continue to try and raise funds for a political fight if tags are not made available or will they disappear.

Donations, fund raising, banquets etc.Thats what I figured. Im not going to pick a side on this argument yet but something that really turned me off last night was the hard defensive position C&P took last night. I heard a lot of what have you done and whats your ideas. They had to expect a backlash from what theyre proposing, so I didnt understand the hostility from them when people showed up with tough questions. They are also taking some credit for stopping the cat ban by hiring the one ballot initiative company in Arizona. Which is awesome, Im glad they did it and Im glad it worked, but they did it off the donations of the Sportsman. So, that kinda throws you off when you hear the what have you done type questions towards hunters. I also understand those groups show up month after month, donating their time to these meetings and looking around the room and seeing no one around but the same people. I applaud them for that. They are doing the Sportsman a great service with the projects they complete and the hunter recruitment with youth camps, etc. Im not defending the hunters either as far as donations go. It sounds like game and fish certainly doesnt do well with the donation box on the online big game draw. Maybe hunters dont see the need to donate because it always seems like the narrative to fight anti hunters is the Sportsmans have been funding wildlife to protect and grow our herds for generations without help from The other side. Maybe that narrative needs to change to our wildlife needs more help I dont think this group is 100% bad news. It seems like all of them want to do the right thing for the wildlife of Arizona. I think one group that has failed us is the Arizona game and fish department. All of a sudden theres this huge need to educate the public because 70% of Arizona (what ever the numbers were last night) doesnt know about the Arizona game and fish department. That is flat out the fault of game and fish for not planning, budgeting and marketing themselves to the public, whether they are underfunded or over funded.

I had a question last night but it was already pretty heated. How are all the different critter groups funded?

This is what I would like to hear more about. I believe it was prop 109 that was suppose to make that happen but failed. Why did it fail? What could be changed to improve it so that it could pass? How does someone go about bringing that back? Hire a lobbyist? Googles generic answer says a lobbyist costs $5K-$25K a month. Could hunters raise that kind of cash? And for how long? It seems like the goal right now is to drop $250K to hire this ballot initiative company every time the HSUS comes back. Why not drop that money on legislation instead and be done with it.

I got lucky and found three in the road this year. One was actually from last year on a road I drove several times during last years hunt.

I plan to attend! I have read just about everything i have found on this idea so far including the podcasts and this is what Im understanding so far. Game and fish auctions/raffles off tags to go into a non-political education fund. The funds will be used to raise positive public awareness about the job game and fish does through media outlets. This education may not be political but could have a political impact if a positive light is shined on the Department. Apparently this education will take a financial burden off conserve and protect when it comes to a political fight because the public is already aware of the great job the department does from the education fund. Hopefully swaying a large number of voters to our side for the next ballot initiative. Maybe if conserve and protect is successful in pushing their agenda onto the Department, they have donors lined up to thank them with big donations in addition to buying tags in order for them to fund a political fight. Otherwise I dont see the need for conserve and protect. Im still on the fence but leaning towards a no for me from What Ive heard so far.

Why is there a need for this organiztion to raise funds to educate? My understanding is that the azgfd can fund an education campaign themselves. This! I seen In a commission meeting about a month ago they were talking about finding vendors such as cabellas to ask if you would like to round up your bill and donate the change to the Arizona game and fish like they do with other things like Phoenix childrens hospital does with fast food restaurants. Why couldnt that be pushed to education.

The way it was explained to me your 2nd option is correct So If the money goes back to the Department then where does the politics come into play?

Im so confused with this whole thing. 1-Does game and fish keep the tags and run the raffle/auction in house and the money goes back to them for education? 2- Are the tags transferred to conserve and protect to run the raffle/auction and they hold onto the money for an education program/campaign?

I could get on board with this is if there was a goal and once that goal was met they're cut off. If a ballot initiative is the main weapon that HSUS has against us. If there is a way for laws to be changed so that a ballot initiative cant be used to change wildlife management. Then why would we need to continue auctioning tags if the goal is met. Give them 1,000 tags over the next five years to run a campaign to change the law and be done with it. Set a timeline and a goal or Im against it from What Ive heard so far. During the podcast I heard a lot about tags and what tags they want but I didnt hear a lot about what the goals were other than education. I dont think we need public education as much as we need the ballot initiative threat taken away.

Pretty sneaky not to post the meetings there. I know I didnt like what I heard on jays podcast. If thats your first time bringing your idea to the public they could of worked on their presentation a little more.

Is this their face book page? I cant find any meeting announcements on the page for their first 2 meetings. Seems like that would be the first place they would post meetings.

While you still can

My uncle had two in his yard Saturday. 58th st and dynamite

Ive picked up 32 so far this year. Only 8 were Browns.

I think all the G$F drinkers are published, but I could be wrong.Thank you! Cant remember off the top of my head. Ill have to check Sunday when I get home. The buck was roughed scored just shy of 80.

I think all the G$F drinkers are published, but I could be wrong.

Pretty sure this would cancel spring bear as well.

Im still waiting on my tag too. Might be awhile since I didnt see a credit card charge though.

It was posted on the Facebook page of Arizona sportsmen of wildlife conservation. I believe it was sent in an email by Arizonans for wildlife to the petitioners on their email list.

Looks like HSUS has decided not to go through with the petition for this year.

I watched online. I think there were 60+ online viewers. There werent any comments emailed in that was for the ban. At least not that they read out loud.

Jumped the bull last night that I've been looking for the antlers from for 3 weeks now and hes still packing.

Could this be the same PT cruiser? My uncles security camera caught it stealing tools out of his landscaping truck in April of last year.