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+1 and then some! Welcome to AZ, and welcome to the site. AZ has TONS of public land. Some units are getting locked up more and more because of private land, but for the most part, the state is wide open. As others have said, archery deer tags for much of the state are over the counter, and there are usually leftover rifle tags in the Southern units. Prime hunts, like the trophy hunts North of the Grand Canyon, and coues tags during the rut (Late December) are a little tough to draw, but there are deer hunts from Oct - Early December that are not hard to draw. We also have Javelina, which are easy to draw for, very fun to hunt, pretty much all over the state, and are a great way to get started learning areas and hunting techniques when you are new to the state.

+1, looks pretty big to me.

Nicely done, Brian!

That's a sweet buck for sure! Congrats, and welcome to the site.

I've posted this before, but it seems appropriate for this thread. A couple years back I was hunting unit 27 in January. I had a treestand all set up, and deer had been moving through this area. I hiked in, in total darkness wearing the bare minimum of clothes, got to my stand and started layering up in the darkness. I had insulated coveralls, a thick parka, over who knows how many layers of clothes. The temps were in the low teens when the sun came up. Around 10 AM, I caught a movement to my left. Sure enough, a small 3x3 buck walks right out from behind a juniper right in front of me. I had never shot a deer with my bow, and here, finally after years of hoping to kill a coues with my bow, is a nice little buck not 30 yards away, totally unaware of my presence. I attach my release to the string loop and go to draw...can't get more than halfway back. I'm trying not to move too much, but my muscles were so messed up from the cold, I could not get to full draw. I actually laid back in my stand trying to get the bow pulled back, and this buck is just standing there watching me struggle to get to full draw - I just couldn't get a full draw, no matter how hard I struggled. At this point my feet are sticking out, my bow is pointing up in the air, and I'm pulling at it as hard as I can. If ever a deer has laughed his butt off at me, it was that morning. He simply walked off, as if nothing had happened while I contorted and twisted like crazy. Moral of the story, if you're sitting a blind or treestand in cold temps, draw your bow from time-to-time, just to make sure you still can!

Super bull for sure! Congrats to Adam on an amazing AZ bull! (There's the smile I was looking for! )

Absolutely amazing!!! Great job. One question though - how in the world did the guy holding all those massive heads keep such a serious poker face? Not slamming, but man, I would be ear-to-ear smiles for a month after a year like that!

Nicely done, Kathi! Great buck and story. Thanks for sharing!

Awesome! Great bucks and to be out there with you dad had to make it extra special. Now I gotta get my dad out there with me! He's 66 and can hike like a madman, just lost his passion for hunting a long time ago - but is one heck of a fly fisherman these days. Gonna have to drag him out for his grandsons' javelina hunts, get the old hunting juices flowing in him again. He's probably forgotten more about hunting than I'll ever know. Congrats again on a great hunt, and memories that will stay with you forever.

Hey Scott, How have things been down in your neck of the woods? I bought the Perfekt Hunters about 2 years ago, and they are by far the best boots I've ever worn, and that's saying a lot. I had a pair of Cabela's Mountain Hunters that lasted nearly 10 years - and that was during my late teens to 20's. The tread was all worn off, but the uppers and waterproofing were still good. I finally had to stop wearing them because in my late 20's my arches dropped (I'm told) and I went from an 11.5 to a 12. I went through quite a few boots after those, and never found any I could really get excited about until the Meindl Perfekt Hunters. I've put quite a few miles on them, but now I make sure to put some good leather treatment on them to keep the leather in good condition. I've been using Obenauf's leather preservative. From what I've been told it does a good job of keeping the leather from drying out without clogging it up. Seems to be working as promised. As for socks. I like Merino Wool with some spandex/nylon/poly mix to keep 'em snug or Smart Wool. The Cabela's outfitter wool socks are good too. For me, it has to be wool, and I don't like the old itchy kind of wool. Cotton is flat out - cotton will get wet, stretch out up and ball up and cause blisters. I also don't use liners - tried 'em a couple times and didn't like them. To me it felt like my feet were sliding around too much, like the liner was sliding around in the outer sock. I felt I had less traction, and more chance of getting a blister, or on downhill slopes my feet were jamming into the ends of my boot. Let us know what you find out.

I had to google this rifle, never heard of it. If you get one, let us know how you like it.

Holy mackerel, what fun!!!! I've got 3 boys, a bit older than yours but I'll tell you what, it seems like yesterday they looked an aweful lot like your 3! My oldest is 13 now, and it seems like yesterday he was 5. Get ready for the whirlwind buddy, and enjoy the ride. Thanks for posting pix - beautiful family you have there.

+1 Great write-up. It sounds like you had a great time chasing coues with familiy and friends. Thanks for sharing the story with us.

Super buck! Man, I'm jealous! Very nice write-up too. Congrats and thanks for sharing the story here with us.

Simple as it sounds, WalMart sells a Remington 870 youth shotgun for a very reasonable price. I bought one for my boys and my middle son, Nick killed a nice turkey 2 years back with it, and they have shot quite a few quail with it. It's pretty "non-frills", laminate wood, fiber optic sights, reliable 870 pump action, corrosion resistant barrell and reciever - pretty good first scatter gun for kids, IMO. Beats the heck out of those break-over single shot doo-hickeys you see so many kids trying to hunt with. Whatever gun you choose, glad to see you getting kids out there in the field hunting!

Not to throw gasoline on the fire or anything...BUT, this guy came on here asking whether to aim low or high at a steep angle, and all kinds of stuff entered into the mix, including the vast, gravity-less, airless expanses of the universe, plus some higher end trigonometry and physics discussion. Not that that's bad - It makes for entertaining reading, but, it's way overkill IMO. We're not talking about the perfect 1.5 mile shot calculating altitude, air density, Coriolis Effect...The guy is making a 358 yard shot at an angle, in field conditions, and wasn't sure whether to hold over or under. This is a very realistic hunting situation, and doesn't take a Ph.D. to give a simple answer to. Lionhunter, you hold *under* at an angle, either up or downhill. You hold for the actual horizontal distance from muzzle to target. You might be a little high or a little low, but if you hold under correctly to compensate for the angle, you'll hit the deer. Not bashing 308Nut or orclouse79 - they have their own discussion going on, and no doubt they know what they are talking about, but I would argue that it really isn't germane in the context of the question you asked.

That is sooooo cool! Thanks for sharing the story and pix Grong.

+ 1 for IC on bottom and M on top.

I did the same thing and the rule for me is glass using my 15 X Binos an easy more user friendly way to glass up deer and then use the spotting scope to judge buck size and shot placement. Couldn't have said it better myself! You will find the deer with the 15's, but you will use the spotter to determine if you want to go after them. +1

Dang! I'm really sorry to hear that! I did the same thing applying for a bonus point for deer - totally stinks to lose your loyalty BP for an application error...I really think G&F should revisit that.

I would just have him buy a license and hunt all that wonderful state managed quail country around Globe!. That said, if you want to bypass the state licensing and hunt on a small game permit from San Carlos, I would go N. out of the town of San Carlos on the Natural Corral road up to the Seven Mile draw road then West toward Chatlin Well and Coffee Pot. More than enough country in there to fill your quail limits.

Great job, and a cool story. So looking back, when it was nobody but you - just hunting solo, and doing it for your own reasons, that feeling that it was all working out...and that realization that this moment was something personal, and important...did you feel like something changed...inside?

Wow, congrats! That is one sweet muley. And I can say from experience, bucks like that were few and far between in 3c this year. You did very well. You should be proud of that awesome trophy!

I'm certainly no expert, but the math involved is fairly basic. The bullet will drop according to the horizontal distance between the muzzle and the target. So, whether you are shooting uphill or downhill the drop isn't determined by the actual line-of-sight distance to the target, but by the actual horizontal distance. It's hard to tell in your exact situation how to do the math because you mention shooting downhill at 120-130 degrees. Keep in mind 90 degrees from horizontal would be straight down. I'm assuming you mean 120 - 130 degrees from straight up, which would put the downward angle at either 60 degrees down (180 - 120) or 50 degrees down (180 - 130). In these cases, the horizontal distance would be 330 yards at 60 degrees and 290 yards at 50 degrees. Here's a picture of this example using the 120 degree figure (actuall 60 degrees downhill). Make sense?

Knowing I had a full plate with elk hunts this year, I decided to apply for a bonus point only for deer. I'm saving up for a Kaibab hunt. At the time I had 4 bonus points, 2 for no draws, one for Hunter's Ed and one "Loyalty" point. When I checked my balance last week, I was down to 3. It turns out, I had left off my hunting license number on my app. So not only did I lose this year's bonus point for a rejected application, I also lost my loyalty bonus point. I get that I screwed up an app, and so I can be denied my BP for this year, but I thought it was really sucky to lose my loyalty point as well. That'll take 5 more years to regain. My own fault, but I gotta vent anyway. Seems cheezy to take away the loyalty point over a application error. When I called G&F to try to appeal it, the lady I talked to had the same thing happen to her, only for her it was loyalty points for sheep. I figured if she couldn't get a reversal, I had no chance.