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Curious how this effects Hunters.... https://www.azpm.org/p/home-articles-news/2018/5/7/129055-environmental-groups-plan-to-sue-to-protect-moth-found-in-arizona/ The Center for Biological Diversity, Defenders of Wildlife and the Patagonia Area Resource Alliance have filed a notice that they intend to sue the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service over a decision to not extend endangered species protection to the Patagonia eyed silkmoth. The moth's habitat is in the sky islands that straddle the Arizona-Mexico border, with its lone known habitat on the U.S. side in the Santa Rita Mountains. A lawyer for the Center for Biological Diversity said there are three groups who have filed exploratory mining claims that could prove detrimental to the species. "Future hard rock mining exploration and development is a concern that the Endangered Species Act could address," said Brian Segee. He also noted that the Patagonia eyed silkmoth has been found in an abandoned cemetery near the ghost town of Harshaw. The groups think the fact that the species is found in a gated area shows another possible cause of habitat destruction. "It's one of the few areas in the local vicinity that has been protected from livestock grazing, where this sole population, currently the only known U.S. population is found," he said. The notice gives the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service 60 days to re-evaluate its decision to not protect the moth before the groups can file a lawsuit.

Is it the old style frame or the neeer one? Maybe a pic of the other side?

Thanks for the heads up, Ill call over there. 👍🏻

Good stuff right here

Weekend bump, $850 obo

Friday bump

Inside width is 60 and it has a 3500lb axle and springs

Well what do the results say?

What size is frame and waist belt?

Its very important that we have elk guys, sheep guys, deer guys, on the appointment committee. The last thing we want are folks with non big game agendas on that committee. If the C&P thing doesnt get off the ground, we dont want Tucson Cat lady appointing our commissioners. Thats an extreme example.. but.. Just my opinion.

GJMauro12 -So If the money goes back to the Department then where does the politics come into play? See my post above about Action #2

QCwtAddict - Great question, run it by the Conserve and Protect folks, I am not sure.

This is how I understand the proposal to lay out. It is basically a dual action approach. Please direct your questions about the Conserve and Protect plan to the info email they have provided. But this comes from our meeting on Wednesday night. Action 1 - Raise money to educate the public on the importance of Wildlife Management. This is where the potential use of tag raffles and auctions come in. The funds from the Tags would be used for this cause. The money would not be held within Conserve and Protect rather it would be similar to the HPC process. Action 2 - Build resources within Conserve and Protect to fight . Have a group in place that is able to do the things needed that critter groups such as ours cannot do. ADBSS is concerned about Sheep, AES is concerned about Elk, ADA is concerned about deer.... critter groups are not able to fight the "HSUS" type pf political fights, neither is AZGFD.

The way the HPC system works is; the critter group(s )never take possession of the tag. The group auctions the rights to the tag at chosen event. The group collects the money from the individual that buys the tag then sends a check for the exact same amount to the G&F. The tag is then sent to the individual. As I understand the current proposal, it would work the same way but the money would not go to the HPC fund but instead to the Education fund. The way it was explained to me your 2nd option is correct

It's not a bullshit answer. Pete and Jim talked about the legislative/political strategy on Wednesday at our meeting. I don't have any background in that stuff. Perhaps you do? I'm just saying instead of offering a donation of money once the plan is in place, perhaps donate time to help with the plan itself.

Great idea, come get involved and help make it happen.

None of this is easy/easier. I was just pointing out that moving tag revenue from the current auction tags to the proposed education program would be taking it from habitat and moving it to education. I am not sure on the legislative requirements on any of the proposed ideas.

you can go to guidestar.org and download their Non profit 990 forms. Side note. I am not a member of any Hunting organization other than SCI. That does not mean I do not do things that help promote hunting in AZ. Last year alone I took three people hunting that have never hunted. I took a couple of wounded warriors antelope archery antelope hunting and I will always go into the most liberal non hunting place and tell them the benefits of hunting to wildlife and free range meat. From the SCI 990 Total Revenue $15,837,944 Local Grants $2,793,656 Foreign Grants $194,313 Officers compensation $795,264 Other compensation $3,793,656 They spent more in wages and compensation than they gave in grants..... Not trying to be a jerk but at least have some facts before we throw stones

you can go to guidestar.org and download their Non profit 990 forms. I just did.... Here's the info from 2016 990 Total revenue $169,818 Totals Grants $145,430 Management costs $5,154 Advertising expense $11,435 Get your facts right, facts don't have feelings

Response to Flatlander..... Here are a few examples: Gear manufacturers can create a line of products that target raising additional funds dedicated to the cause. The same way that anything in pink raises money for cancer, anything branded this way from any manufacturer contributes dollars to the cause. Good Idea, get involved and help make it happen A raffle of gear, services and properties can be used. Good Idea, get involved and help make it happen Mexico tags can be raffled/auctioned. Good Idea, get involved and help make it happen A dedicated hunter program requiring time/financial support can be established that provides a bonus point. Good Idea, get involved and help make it happen Any or all of the existing organizations could contribute a portion of the funds they already raise specifically to the cause of fighting these issues. Already happened/happening but there are IRS restrictions on how much a 501c3 can contribute to this type of stuff.. Protect and conserve could do the exact same things that AES, ABA, ADA, ADBSS, RMEF, SCI, etc already do (raffles, expo, volunteer service, membership) and dedicate the funds to fighting the good fight. They are planning to, they haven't had a fundraiser yet. Any or all of the aforementioned organizations could hold an event called EFF the HSUS every year and raise money. It could be an expo similar to ISE except it doesnt suck. Add banquets and dinner and it would raise lots and lots of money. Good Idea, get involved and help make it happen Hold a bow shoot. Rifle shoot. Pellet gun shoot. Turkey shoot. Good Idea, get involved and help make it happen Develop a national hunting and fishing lobby with the participation of national industry, organizations, citizens and partner with wildlife magament organizations. Good Idea, get involved and help make it happen

$20,000 AZ Deer Association Round Valley Grassland Restoration $29,829 AZ Elk Society Phase II Long Valley Meadow Restoration $7,262 AZ Chapter NWTF 2018 Marving Robbins Youth Camp $6,000 Shoot Right Pop-Up 3D Archery Range Equipment $1,000 AZ Chapter NWTF 2017 Robbins Butte Youth Camp $2,850 Kahuna’s Kids Mentoring Kids Fishing Derby $6,110 Desert Christian Archers Archery Equipment $7,000 AZ Chapter Trout Unlimited Trout in the Classroom 2017-2018 School Year $5,000 AZ Deer Association Youth Deer & Elk Camp $1,780 AZ Outdoor Sports Veterans Target Shoot & Pheasant Hunt $ 40,000 AZ Chapter NWTF Pinaleno Restoration Habitat Project $11,373 AZ Shooting Sports Education Foundation – Scholastic Clay Program Competition Vests $7,262 AZ Chapter NWTF 2017 Marvin Robbins Youth Turkey Hunting Camps $19,824 AZ Elk Society Long Valley Meadow Restoration Habitat Project $3,600 Mohave Sportsman Club Fishing for Smiles $1,775 AZ Chapter Trout Unlimited 8th Annual Native and Wild Trout Conference

Completely false information. They bring in around $15,000 per month in revenue from license plates. $15,000 x 12 = 180,000 Here is the list of grants they funded in 2017. Approved in 2017 – $170,665 http://azsfwc.org/license-plate-fund-projects/ This misinformation is bad for all of us....

If Pete or someone from C&P would have suggested this they would have been thrown in the fire. All the money that is generated from these tags go directly to the HPC funds, non of the money stays inside the individual organizations. What you are saying is take money from habitat and move it to education.

What exactly does that mean? I truly don't know the background on the Utah system and I am hearing that it is bad but I am not hearing any facts. For example, are there less tags available now then there was before Utah started the tags sales? Are there more predators? Have tag cost gone up making it not affordable for everyday hunters? Any honest input is appreciated. Would prefer facts, not feelings....