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$20,000 AZ Deer Association Round Valley Grassland Restoration $29,829 AZ Elk Society Phase II Long Valley Meadow Restoration $7,262 AZ Chapter NWTF 2018 Marving Robbins Youth Camp $6,000 Shoot Right Pop-Up 3D Archery Range Equipment $1,000 AZ Chapter NWTF 2017 Robbins Butte Youth Camp $2,850 Kahuna’s Kids Mentoring Kids Fishing Derby $6,110 Desert Christian Archers Archery Equipment $7,000 AZ Chapter Trout Unlimited Trout in the Classroom 2017-2018 School Year $5,000 AZ Deer Association Youth Deer & Elk Camp $1,780 AZ Outdoor Sports Veterans Target Shoot & Pheasant Hunt $ 40,000 AZ Chapter NWTF Pinaleno Restoration Habitat Project $11,373 AZ Shooting Sports Education Foundation – Scholastic Clay Program Competition Vests $7,262 AZ Chapter NWTF 2017 Marvin Robbins Youth Turkey Hunting Camps $19,824 AZ Elk Society Long Valley Meadow Restoration Habitat Project $3,600 Mohave Sportsman Club Fishing for Smiles $1,775 AZ Chapter Trout Unlimited 8th Annual Native and Wild Trout Conference

Completely false information. They bring in around $15,000 per month in revenue from license plates. $15,000 x 12 = 180,000 Here is the list of grants they funded in 2017. Approved in 2017 – $170,665 http://azsfwc.org/license-plate-fund-projects/ This misinformation is bad for all of us....

If Pete or someone from C&P would have suggested this they would have been thrown in the fire. All the money that is generated from these tags go directly to the HPC funds, non of the money stays inside the individual organizations. What you are saying is take money from habitat and move it to education.

What exactly does that mean? I truly don't know the background on the Utah system and I am hearing that it is bad but I am not hearing any facts. For example, are there less tags available now then there was before Utah started the tags sales? Are there more predators? Have tag cost gone up making it not affordable for everyday hunters? Any honest input is appreciated. Would prefer facts, not feelings....

bonecollector777 - Our monthly meetings are on the calendar for the next 12 months and have been for the last 12 months. go to adbss.org I do not know when the next conserve and protect meeting will be. One extra person showed up last night, simple fact.... Raffle only is a viable option I would think but I can't speak for C&P.

Here is an update from our meeting last night. I'll give you all a little background and I hope it helps clarify. When we(ADBSS) and other groups learned the HSUS was going to file for the petition to get the cat hunting ban on the ballot we took action. The plan to combat the initiative was developed by the group of folks that are now on the board of Conserve and Protect. Conserve and Protect was not even an organization when this all came down the pipe many months ago, it was simply a group of guys from miscellaneous organizations putting together a plan to fight HSUS. We, along with some other groups agreed to help with the financial burden of that initial plan. When we had to take action in order to try and fight, we did, and we won. Conserve and Protect hadn't even been formed, but the guys that developed the plan now sit on the board of C&P. . Make no mistake, the folks that now are on the board of C&P had an instrumental part in fighting and beating HSUS. Moving to today.... Conserve and Protect was just officially(paperwork finalized) started a few weeks, maybe a month ago, not exactly sure. They have now formed their board and are putting together the plan for what's next. They are truly a work in progress and we intend to be engaged in that conversation. They came to our board meeting last night to inform us where they are and what the next step is. Some organizations have financially committed to the next step but we did not feel as a board that we had enough information and the next step is still in the planning stages. We as a board understand the importance of what comes next. We as a collective group of hunters cannot be as unprepared to fight HSUS or other groups as we recently were. We believe HSUS will be back and we need to have a plan already in place. I will only briefly try to articulate the next step. It is basically a two stage approach. Please direct your questions about the Conserve and Protect plan to the info email they have provided. Stage 1 - Raise money to educate the public on the importance of Wildlife Management. This is where the potential use of tag raffles and auctions come in. The funds from the Tags would be used for this cause. The money would not be held within Conserve and Protect rather it would be similar to the HPC process. Stage 2 - Build resources within Conserve and Protect to fight . Have a group in place that is able to do the things needed that critter groups such as ours cannot do. ADBSS is concerned about Sheep, AES is concerned about Elk, ADA is concerned about deer.... critter groups are not able to fight the "HSUS" type pf political fights, neither is AZGFD. If you do not know how the plan came together to defeat HSUS, I challenge that you are not involved enough. Only one person showed up last night that doesn't attend the meetings regularly. Call me with any questions or comments, I hope this information is helpful. Andy St John ADBSS President 602-881-0610

Great question - HSUS was using a political avenue, via the ballot initiative process, which keeps AZGFD from getting involved. I was asking that same thing when the whole thing got started.

Conserve and Protect will be at the Sheep Society meeting tonight to discuss the details and bring the Board of Directors up to speed on the goals and objectives of Conserve and Protect. I encourage anyone who is a member of the Sheep Society and would like to learn more to come. The meeting starts at 7:00pm at Embassy Suites, 5001 N Scottsdale Rd, Scottsdale AZ. I am also happy to talk to anyone who needs/wants more info after the meeting. Andy St. John 602-881-0610 ADBSS President

Bought it new last year, in great shape, has the Swarovski stay-on case($280 new). Selling to move up to STX. New spotter with eye piece $2268 Stay on case $280 $2100 or trade toward STX. Pm text or call Andy 602-881-0610

Body and 25-50 eye piece are sold Will sell - 65mm stay on case And 20-60 eyepiece

Sold

In good shape, used for a couple seasons. Comes with whisker biscuit, trophy ridge 5 pin site, 7 arrows, stabilizer, alpine quiver and hard case. String is in decent, if i was going to hunt with it this season i would probly put a new string on it. Open to trades, guns, binos, gps, kodiak tent...looks like Im gonna be helping this elk season not hunting... Call pm or text Andy 6028810610

SPF

Bump for all you elk and antelope tag holders..

Bump

Back up for sale, I also have the 25-50 eye piece. New spotter with eye piece $2268 Stay on case $280 25-50 eye piece $700 I will take $2,000 for the body, 20-60, and the stay on case. Will take $2550 for the body, 20-60, 25-50, and the stay on case I would take a Kuiu Icon 2300 or 5200 as a partial trade. Shoot me a text or pm 602-881-0610

Best thread i have seen on here in a while, thanks for sharing.

Outdoorsmans is sold as well. Thanks

Used Outdoorsmans Optics pack, it has been used quite a bit but it's still in nice shape. No rips or tears only usuals wear marks. Would trade toward Outdoorsmans tall tripod. It has the new style hip belt. No other trades. $260 Used Eberlestock X2, it has been used quite a bit but it's still in nice shape. No rips or tears only usuals wear marks. It does have some blood stains and the webbing on the outside bottom is hardened from a camp fire still fully functional, see pics. $60 Call or text 602-881-0610 Andy

Eberlestock is sold Outdoorsmans is still available, prefer to sell local, located in north Phoenix. If i ship Ernesto has dibs.

Merry Christmas everyone!!

Eberlestock is spf

They are pretty sweet. I spent quite a bit of time behind it sheep hunting. Its a great blend between binos and spotters but in my opinion wont replace either. I was glassing with my 12s for most of the morning and had a hill that was just too far away to get a good look at. My uncle made his way over to me mid morning and i put the btx on the tripod and started to glass the hill. Took about 5 min and I had two rams and ewe bedded on a rock. For long range acquisition its great but I still ended up getting the spotter out once I located them. With the 1.7x magnifyer it might replace the spotter but not for now....

Great Ram and Great write up!

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