Flatlander

Ditto. Plus the snakes. My buddy had that hunt and said he saw more rattlers than he ever sees hunting August deer in the southern units. Had one coiled under his tent when he took it down. Eff that. That plus the stickers in the socks, who would ever endure such misery.

What did you end up doing?

Surprised no one has said 31/32 yet. That's a pretty crappy one, I knew a guy who had it once. He spent every evening for two weeks picking thorns out of his socks. Those rutting bucks would run all over the valley floor and he would just run around in his socks trying to get one to stand still.

The system should see the birthdate and allow me to put my daughter in for a point though. My daughter turns 10 in less than a month.Now we run the risk of her drawing a primo tag that someone else could have drawn. Sounds pretty risky. Maybe Game and Fish should come up with a way for people to turn their tag in for their points if they can't or don't want to use it.

Sorry but I guess you didnt hear, AZGFD has decided to stop issuing tags to U of A fans this year. Something about one of their grads messing up Larry Voyles order at Burger King. 3%, 12%

1%. 10%

2% on the ML hunt Last year 23 pts was 100% for unit 1 antelope. 12 guys with 22 pts did not draw so it could creep a point this year. If it does, you less than a 5% chance of drawing. my unit 1 app with 23pts this year...maybe just gets another BP. this is gettin' old fast. Thank You Flatlander! lee This is your year Lee! Don't lose faith!

makes sense. that said, how does having a lot of bonus points help you get a low "random" number? because if it did, it wouldn't be random. I thought you got your name tossed in the hat again for every bonus point you have. while i'm not too particular about this elk hunt, i'll probably draw that late archery tag, though it would be nice to know i had at least a shot at the rifle tag. i'm not sure how to approach the draw with these 2 hunts in mind. it does make a difference to me for deer however. right now i'm banking points while i whack the first deer that walks in front of me during archery season. however, i would like to enter the draw when i i get 10 bonus points. (when i hit 10 points, i probly won't shoot a buck w/ my bow unless it's a monster) i think i have 7 right now. but i'm pretty set on 13b, unless the deer situation changes up there. So, how do i approach that? just put in 13b for my first choice and leave the rest blank? or put in for 13b on every choice? You can do either and it will have the exact same effect. However, if you are applying for 13b rifle it won't matter. You won't be anywhere near the bonus pass with 10 points.

16% 10% 14%

2% on the ML hunt Last year 23 pts was 100% for unit 1 antelope. 12 guys with 22 pts did not draw so it could creep a point this year. If it does, you less than a 5% chance of drawing.

15% 8% 2% based on last years 5A hunt 20%

22% first hunt 27% second hunt

13% 15%

The NR stuff is very hard to predict with the changes made. Basically for archery you will be one of 1490 total people competing for 8 non bonus pass NR tags, its a long shot but because of the changes this year, you are not mathematically eliminated. For the late rifle hunt you would have likely drawn it last year but this year with only 25 tags in the bonus pass you will probably have to wait for the 1-2 pass where you should have about a 24% chance. There is 0 chance of you drawing that late archery tag as a 3rd choice. Resident Archery - 12% Late Rifle - 35% Late Archery - 0%

6% 25% last year, less this year due to a 10% tag reduction 9%

9% 4% 16%

Lance and Bob are correct. There is no need to put your first and second choice as the same hunt. However if you do choose a second choice be careful not to choose a hint for which you will draw in the bonus pass. If you draw your second choice in the bonus pass you will not be considered for your 1st choice in the 1-2 pass. Hope this helps.

I was thinking of greeting an AES table but need about 5 people to fill it.

Archery elk hunts start on the 37th Friday of the year. Next year ago it will move back 6 days. When they discussed changing dates in 2008 is when they decided to add the November archery tags.

This year because of the very early archery dates I applied for muzzleloader first choice and a more premium archery tag than I typically would second choice. My reasoning was that with my number of BP I was 100% on 3/4 of the archery hunts. I did not want to burn a decade worth of points for a middle of the road hunt that also started crazy early and risk a poor rut. Now just my luck, next year it will be a drought year.

Are those 15 or 16 hunt numbers? These calcs need to be done via the bonus pass by hunt number.

^^^^^In 15 posts this guy figured out what guys with 900+ cant seem to get.

Not 100% for that hunt. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, text me later today and I will look up some hunts you will be close to 100% on. 480 266 4811

Come on now you got to tell us what you did if you are going to say something like that!

Good, I am thinking hard about this one.