Flatlander

Bump for sweet glass. I love my Gold ring binos. Better than SLC for a way better price.

Clean out your inbox! You can not receive messages. Dude it's all the people asking for draw odds. I can't clean it out fast enough so I gave up.

I like it Tony. The point isn't that what some folks say doesn't have any merit. It's that they hijack every other thread to do it. I actually have a feeling that Lance may have some background to justify all that bitterness but it's just not needed in threads about Javelina harvests etc

Once again Seldom Drawn has hijacked a thread by expressing an ignorant opinion based upon speculation. . . What's new? And what should make either of those guys feel obligated to explain themselves to him? Congrats to all the successful hunters, apparently you are better than me. Still looking for mine.

Crazy buck, that doesn't really make any sense. NR are capped at 10% of the tags, and there are far more than 10% who apply. They will get $600 regardless. To clarify the 10% cap only applies to his tag, but if the cap has been met when your number is called the entire app would be rejected.

CouesHunter I had talked to Sherman and he was bringing me the binos but I really only need 2 pair. PM me and we can work something out.

I will do everyone's draw odds for free

Sherman, PM sent.

10% for you. For your wife look at some of the limited opp hunts. She probably won't be in the bonus but it would help increase her odds. Or, get her a bow.

16% 3% 20 Its difficult to differentiate non-resident vs resident with the info game and fish provides. Realistically the 10% NR max is likely being hit in those units during the bonus pass. He should be in that group so his odds are high, especially in 27 where it only took 9 for the bonus pass last year. You are there, if you put in together I would think that you would have a very good chance. 62% 100% as of last year. Should be similar this year. There is no early muzzy in 6A, 23 Late - 72% 100% If you have 24 bp you are the one and only person on Earth with that many and you can pick your tag. Good luck, and be sure to leave room in your schedule for a trip to the Grand Canyon State this year. Post up some pics. 39%, 20% 8%, 18% (1st hunt), 24% (2nd Hunt), 43%

Probably not unit 1 as 12 guys from last year were not drawn in the bonus pass. Unit 3A should make the bonus pass, but there will be more in that group than there are bonus pass tags available. 6 made the bonus pass on both last year. It may not get you 100% odds on 6A but should be good enough for 6B. Make sure that 6A is your first choice. Last year 19 was good enough for a tag. If you were one of the 10 guys with 18 pts who put in for it, you just missed out. Antelope 2%, 1% Elk 8%, 26% (1st late hunt), 36% (2nd late hunt), Realistically . . . No. But keep applying because 80% of the tags go to some lucky gomer who scores a golden ticket. Elk 15%, 14% Antelope I would suggest you look at some of the archery hunts. On 21, 18B, 6B North and 3B South you would be close.

Going to be tough to draw an early cow tag on 3rd choice. Maybe a limited opp. or the peaks. Those early cow hunts are pretty popular.

Never done it because I always have a conflict. It's a really popular race and it will be pretty much shoulder to shoulder the whole way. It's a well organized event and for a great cause.

You just missed a step. Each applicant receives a random number for their application and each of their bonus points. The lowest number is then kept. So you have to multiply each applicant by their number of points +1.

Unfortunately Tom did not harvest a ram. I don't think he has really posted anything anywhere since the hunt.

Maybe. Last year this was the breaking point. Everyone with 9 got a tag but I would expect some creep this year, your odds are probably 50/50. This hunt has gotten a lot harder to draw in recent years and on top of that they issued like 4 million tags in 22 last year (not early archery, just all the other hunts).

Bitter - If you are looking to hunt bulls sooner than later look at the late hunts. There are some with very high success (see the regs after all the notes) and it really doesn't take long to draw most of them. The reality is this, if you want to hunt bulls in the rut with a rifle, thats a once in a lifetime deal. With a bow it can be done ever 4-8 years. Some folks will get lucky and beat those odds but most will not. Many November hunts can be drawn every 2 or 3 years. You can also look at the limited opportunity hunts for even better odds. Opportunity to hunt elk in AZ abounds, there is something for everybody. I really believe that whatever you want is here. We have a great system so don't get hung up on shooting a bugling bull with a rifle. If you hunt bulls in November ever couple of years you will get better and better at it until you are killing great bulls. And having a full freezer and great times along the way. Good luck my friend and welcome to the oldest sport on Earth.

Call G&F

Less than 1% on all accounts. If you are interested i getting into hunting I would suggest applying for some of the early rifle cow hunts. ITs a great experience with elk bugling and plenty of opportunity. I grew up on those hunts and they are some of my favorite memories. Took my wife and kids on one last year and we had a hoot. She drew without a single point. Good luck and welcome to the sport.

Archery antelope 10 points 18a, 18b and 10. Thank you for the help. 10%, 9%, 14% Just a year or two off the bonus pass in those. 12AB Since you asked my opinion I will give it to you. Don't put your wife or daughter in for late archery tags. It will suck the fun right out of it for them unless they are serious archers. As far as your overall percentages, with that many applications you should draw a tag. It will almost certainly be at least 18 to make the bonus pass. Somewhere between 0 and 100 depending on which hunt and how many bonus points you have. 13%, 6% 5, 9 It was enough last year, depending on where the max point holders apply I would think there is a very good chance she would draw the tag. Good luck and post pics. Dill - I understand that the reality of the scarcity of quality elk tags in this state is overwhelming, we all have to have a coping mechanism. If yours is pretending you have a 50/50 chance of drawing every year, good for you. The reality is much, much more bleak. Khmer - I have thought about using google docs I just have to decide if I want to post this where someone can reverse engineer it. Althouh I give away the results for free, I do consider the equations themselves to be an intellectual property and may want to use them some other way in the future. Who knows, maybe an application service or draw publication.

That'll learn ya

You picked against the Niners, are you out of your mind? The next time ND wants to play in a national championship someone needs to show them film from 2013 and then tonight's game. What a game. . .

Bummer dude. Sounds like you really tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. Go get your horns and refuse to leave without them.

Last year 19 got in the bonus pass for the 13's and 6A. It wasn't 100% but a drastic improvement over what you would get in any other unit. 9%, 25% Respectively Outside the Bonus Pass on 5B so 1% Unit 9 21 got you into the bonus pass last year but I wouldn't expect it this year as there were 19 guys w/21 pts who didn't get drawn. Look for this one to creep this year. 8 Early Archery Bull - 9% 1%, You can double that if you go south. 2A Rifle Lope - 2% 17B & 19B (they were combined last year) - 5% 1st hunt, 6% 2nd hunt 1 Late Rifle - 14% 27 Late Rifle - 50% 1 Archery - 9% 27 Archery - 13% It does take time, and I am not sure why but I get great satisfaction out of it. I only ask that you guys come back and post what you drew if and when that time comes.

11M - 1 15% 11M - 2 18% 8 - 6% 23N Archery - 4% 10 Rifle - 1%