Flatlander

When you live in Sierra Vista, dental work in Naco makes sense.

Would you want to come and referee this train wreck? Its unfortunate that we could run someone into the ground so hard over football picks that he doesn’t bother to share his experiences with us. Sometimes it’s hard to tell if this is a hunting website or a frat party. On an up note, 308nut posted recently, a name we haven’t seen in a long time. Hopefully with some tags in hand and turkey season approaching we can see more hunting, scouting and conservation content.

At current rates 2 boxes of Tul Ammo and 3 slugs is probably about right. But it is a Honda, and those early years are hard to find. Might have to sweeten the pot with a box of 9mm.

Anyone showing leftover tags in their portal yet?

Your app will eventually make it to the office.

It’s pretty dang apparent to me that they had some significant issues, fixed as much as they could without missing any published deadlines and then ramrodded the whole thing through at the last possible moment to still make the leftover deadline.

I think my boys and I bumped into you during the hunt on Sunday AM. Glad to see you sealed the deal, would love to see a post on how it played out.

https://www.azauditor.gov/contact-information Just saying...

Maybe someone should reach out to the auditor general.

It’s definitely a good hunt for 12 pts. It also isn’t really on par with 23N or 23S. But at 12 pts he could chase that hunt for the rest of his life and never draw. With the early dates it will be glassing and sitting water more than chasing bugles. We had the tag last year and we didn’t have any trouble finding bulls, in 3 days the biggest bull we saw was about 330”. But we didn’t scout at all. Definitely be ready once you kill a bull, it will be real warm. It’s not the hunt it was 10-15 years ago but it’s an AZ early rifle bull tag. It’s better than almost any other tag in the country.

What are the dates for the hunt he drew? There are 3 rifle bull hunts in that unit.

Yes, there is a chance just depending on how the draw played out. Either way, great tag. You live out of state now, right? If you want some help let me know, we’d love to pitch in. Been hoping my dad will run into similar luck, it would be cool to see someone play it out.

Welcome to the site...

I live in Queen Creek, AZ but my job has me all over the Phoenix area.

I feel like given recent events I need to clarify that this is purely hunting related and no other type of packing will occur.

At least then I’d have someone to go check it out with. Did you put in for Oryx?

Worst part of it is that it was all sitting in my cart ready to go. Now I am really annoyed with the AZ situation.

I am an idiot and forgot about daylight savings time.

That’s quite the humble brag 🤣 In life I have found that being generous never hurts. I usually do tip for quality taxidermy work. I also tip workers who come to my home. And my barber at Christmas.

Stud buck man.

Awesome. The mount is incredible as well. Definitely a bucket list for me.

You can question my motives or morality all you want, I’ll sleep fine. There are many choices others make that I would not, no big deal, they have that right. You’ve been around here long enough to know that we apply for and hunt a lot of non “primo” tags. So to say that’s my only concern is comical. I do want my children to experience hunting as much as possible. I will do my part to make sure they get the opportunities afforded to them by the laws and rules that are in place. I would support deleting bonus points to simplify the system and reduce the games that are played to gain an advantage. It’s interesting to see how many people are opposed to rules governing trail cameras because of “government” interference and then how many support further regulation of the permitting process. I also think it is bad for the future of hunting to create barriers to entry. Someone who just learned about hunting late in life should have the same opportunities afforded to the rest of us. Eventually, hunters will have to hand together or we will slowly lose these opportunities. If new hunters don’t see opportunities out there, they won’t care what happens when an apex predator needs to be deregulated or land needs to be conserved. Just my opinion. I won’t venture a guess as to what the motives were when AZGFD allowed parents/grandparents to sign over tags, I wasn’t there when that happened. But it seems unlikely that they couldn’t have seen the possibility of a non hunting grandparent to apply. Regardless, I dont have to guess, they wrote the rule and we comply with it. After all this I will sign off. This argument is going nowhere. But I must say it’s a bit odd that you would be so concerned about something that has so little impact on the overall draw process. It seems the much larger issue are the number of point mule applicants being added to the system for averaging party apps. This is much more prevalent and impacts many times more potential applicants than grandmas giving a tag to a kid.

I don’t see any conundrum and I am not benefiting from anything. My son does. If a permit that has been legally point guarded is offered to him, I will continue to ask him if he is interested in going on the hunt. This doesn’t keep me awake at night, as it’s the system that the state has established. I will also continue to apply grandma for tags that can be signed over. It’s the system AZGFD has setup, that tag has already been donated and it’s not going back into the pool. I’m not going to let my kids miss out on opportunities because I don’t agree with the system. I don’t the BP system, but that doesn’t mean I tell AZGFD that I want my app to have zero. We just have to work with what the system is. What I won’t do is obtain tags through impropriety or compromise my ethics. Designating any group as more deserving than any other is a very slippery slope. Although I am grateful for the opportunities it has afforded my son, I also recognize that opportunity comes at the expense of someone else. As long as we are designating one group more deserving than another whether it be via donation, bonus points, preference points, outfitter allocations, auctions, raffles etc. There will be disagreement about how those designations are made and where the lines are drawn. The more we regulate the process the more opportunity there is for taking advantage of the system.

I cannot think of a way to arrive at defining who deserves and who doesn’t that doesn’t appear self serving. I am grateful that my boy has had the chance to hunt while he can. Because in all likelihood his days of hiking, hunting and packing are numbered. But drawing those lines is dicey and creates opportunity for exactly what you have described. From what I have seen of the system, there are a couple orgs that do it right. I do to ow about the rest.