Flatlander

No question my son has had some awesome experiences with tags that were donated. There is also no question that point guard has increased the opportunity for people to game the system. No one person deserves a tag more than another. Right now, our system of awarding tags has become ripe for abuse.

Point guard and party applications are the biggest culprit. Averaging points for party applications means people aren’t just applying grandma and grandpa to sign over a tag (parents and grandparents are the only people who can sign over a tag), they literally are using every possible acquaintance to build points to average a party app. There are people out there selling these points for party applications for thousands of dollars. The more we regulate the system and try to manipulate it to benefit one group or another, whether it’s youth or new hunters or people who have applied for 20+ years, the more ripe it becomes for these games. The only parties that benefit from this are AZGFD who takes in a bunch of extra app and license fees from the point mules and people with the time and money to run all the extra apps. There are a couple solutions: Don’t average party apps, assign the application the lowest number of bonus points of any applicant. Or just get rid of points. Period. Gone.

Oh...the bucks you hunt for 6 weeks in the rut?

Go ahead and apply for cow hunts.

Oh, so all those max point holders aren’t old dudes then?

Typical. You claim to be entitled to tags cause you are older than someone else then spin it. Sorry man, everyone doesn’t get a participation trophy in hunting.

They paid for a chance to draw the tag. They had the chance and they didn’t draw. The world owes them nothing.

I don’t see why anyone deserves a better chance at drawing a tag just cause they were born first or their dad started them out hunting at 12 instead of finding it on their own at 30.

Why does anyone else deserve a high value hunt?

No thanks. It’s already tough enough for for a new hunter to ever have a shot at these high value hunts. Why would we want to make it more difficult for them? I’m not for making rules to further tilt the scales for old dudes who already have way more opportunity in their rear view that most kids will ever achieve in their lives.

And you didn’t even say hi? And I thought we were friends.

What are those questions?

Here is the qty of resident and NR otc archery deer tags for those who haven’t seen it recently. (If viewing from phone turn sideways) 2018  2019 2020 Dealer sales- RES 20,832 19,890 21,125 Dept sales- RES 4,807 5,120 5,371 Dealer Sales-NRS 1,789 2,188 2,591 Dept sales- NRS 313 395 502

Gotta blame someone.

To be clear, I do think we are behind. And I do blame those without portals. 😬

Where did I say that?

Yes, but only for antlered elk and deer, antelope, bighorn and buffalo. Cow elk, any elk, javelina, juniors hunts are all equal odds.

Ok Richard... you are now impacting the rest of us.

For antlered elk and deer, antelope, sheep and buffalo yes.

How do you know those people did t move here from CA and haven’t switched their plates yet?

That sounds like an atrocity.

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And how do you know these people were non-residents?

Please define that problem with data.

Before we start pitching out solutions and ways to screw nonresidents... we should probably define the problem we are trying to solve.