Flatlander

In 1965 how many bp’s did it take to draw a Kaibab tag? Late coues? 6A early rifle bull? Do we really need to stack the deck for old dudes to have more opportunity...

We’ll be there.

Hey Bob, I’ll send you a pic from the Bab this November😉 I bet my 11 year old won’t spend the whole hunt in a NyQuil induced coma battling pneumonia. Another reason we shouldn’t give old people tags.

This gets my vote for worst post of the year. Grandparent transfer: The number of tags grandparents can donate to a kid in their 8 years of eligibility is minuscule when looking at the total number of applicants. Looking for ways to limit child/youth tags is a pretty selfish and short sighted way to try and get yourself a little ahead in the draw. Waiting periods will make almost no impact on draw odds in the current scenario and even less if we are ever dumb enough to square bonus points. Squaring bonus points only helps the people at the very top of the point pile and does marginally at the expense of the vast majority of applicants who are below max. What gives me a superior right to hunt an animal than someone who was introduced to hunting just last year? What about a kid who just turned ten? Why don’t they have an equal right to hunt the strip? Just because they were born later, what does that have to do with it? What value does it add to hunting if we make it an old man’s sport and no one gets to hunt while they are young enough to enjoy it? Continuing to tip the scales in favor of a tiny minority who apparently don’t like to go hunting all that much cause they are fine waiting 20 years just doesn’t make sense. Someone brought up preference points. This is the worst idea in the history of hunting. Once it goes this way, it will just cut the legs out of any hunter recruitment. What’s the point of starting something if there is literally no hope of ever being able to achieve your goal? Eventually western hunters are going to have to accept that there is more demand than supply. And we will have to take a long look in the mirror to assess whether it’s wise to continually prioritize opportunity for one small group of people at the expense of all others and every future generation to come. Why should the draw favor those who have applied longer? Does that somehow make them more deserving? In actuality the more we complicate the system by adding provisions: bonus points, preference points, point guard, tag transfer, etc. The more opportunity for exploitation we create and the more the system favors the few at the expense of the mass. Someday we will have to bite the bullet or lose our future. It’s just a matter of time.

My 99 sportsman idle screw Is accessible by reaching in directly above the shroud for the pull start.

Better a walk in than sold to a developer buddy of your local corrupt republican rep

I thought those were different Owens' . . .

The fires haven’t been nearly as tough on the unit as the 1200 tags they issue for coues deer.

Well our family has made some good memories the past few years. In 2017 I took my first archery bull in 3C. Last year my son Hunter lived up to his name by taking his first antelope in unit 10. I drew a once in a lifetime Idaho Shiras moose permit that I put on a 40" bull. This year Hunter has his own OIL tag as we head up to the Kaibab for a cow bison hunt later this month. I am headed to MT for my first ever archery elk hunt in that state. And to top it off Hunter's little brother Nash will be hunting Mule Deer in 12AW during the late hunt. Yup, we are living in the good ole days . . .

And poodles are smarter than labs / goldens. But the shedding thing, yeah, that’s a game changer. After being around a lab for a few hours my eyes are swollen and watering and my skin itches head to toe. So these critters are really attractive to me. Too bad I have a dog already, and he looks like he might live to be a hundred.

I’m selfishly hoping it stays a little dry until after the buffalo hunt at the end of the month. Right now we are enjoying the better weather of the Northern Rockies.

I’d rather have 19B than 23 mule deer everyday. My biggest set of sheds came from near the yavapai ranch.

My son shot his muley doe at 200 yds. I can’t remember what viler we used. I think it was something federal. It worked fine.

Yeah, that’s real unfortunate.

Thanks Hector. He’s 11, this may ruin him, but it really couldn’t happen to a nicer kid. He is so excited to kill his first deer. Hopefully we can make it a good one.

What a country!!!

Wonder if that kid is about to get a deer tag without a dad to take him.

A prayer answered.

So then should the adults who lead a family to Water Wheel for a swim be charged similarly (this was also in Gila County)? There are signs warning about flash floods: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2017/07/16/payson-flash-flood-results-four-deaths/482805001/ How about the family who let another family stay in their cabin that didn't have a carbon monoxide detector? https://www.azfamily.com/news/family-of-found-dead-in-cabin-from-possible-carbon-monoxide/article_eba36f01-89ff-5723-9251-a3e44c1b744a.html To be clear here, I don't hold the county responsible for this and I doubt the family does either. But I do suspect the motives of the county in moving these charges forward. It was pretty dang clear that GCSO was enjoying their day in the sun while the search went on. It was also they held strong animosity for the family and volunteers who showed up to help they refused to even coordinate with the civilian effort which had far more man power and significant resources. And, ironically enough, it was the volunteers who found all 3 bodies. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Sure. How about if every county in America just decides social distancing is great and they tell everyone they are only allowed to go to work and the grocery store for the rest of forever. That would be great protection, right? Wouldn’t that prevent a lot of traffic deaths? And reduce annual flu deaths? So let’s just post a sign that says if you leave your house you are endangering your family, and if you leave, if anything happens we will charge you with manslaughter.

They post those stupid “barricades” every time there is water in that wash, knowing full dang well that people have to cross there. heck the barricade is nothing more than a portable sign they put on the road. The water was calf deep on Saturday but it was supposedly closed and all 60 homeowners who live over there were supposed to drive clear to the Young road and back to get in and out of their homes. Because of calf deep water. So pretending that they had all this warning and should have known better because of a dang sign is dumb. He should have known better cause he is a native Arizonan and has spent a lot of time in Tonto Basin. But Gila County pretending that they were protecting anybody with their fake barricades is ridiculous. To say you are going to put someone away for decades because of that is crap.

I, along with about 20 other vehicles, drove around those barricades and made that crossing yesterday. Like it or not, that’s a way of life for people who live there. My 10 year old was with me. I dare the camera hungry jackasses at Gila County to come charge me. They won’t, because there is no media opportunity in it for them. I hope the Rawlings and Sherwoods sue the heck out of them.

What’s that supposed to mean?

Post em up. I need new reading.