Red Rabbit

Yep, it's a 3-point. Eyeguards don't count in western count. if in doubt, check the regs. For eastern count it'd be an 8-point. Iffin ya were on er huntin show, you'da touch each one with yer finger and count reeeaaallll slow...one...two...three..four...five...six...seven...uhhh, oh dang, starten over...one... two....three... four...five...six..seven...eight...yep a purty eight point.

SD79, Guess the tongue didn't push the cheek out enough in my post . A few years ago I heard that G&F had secured an agreement to maintain a certain minimum pool for River Res. RR

The leftover list is updated, I think on a daily basis, now that they are fulfilling the first-come mail applicants. Those waiting till Aug 10 to purchase at a regional office will thus be able to see what's left. RR

The sad part about Greer fishing is that the lakes all leak. If you go up there, they are all about empty now. G&F has been working on River Res for a few years to no avail, and they are to the point of calling in the little Dutch boy. Leaks out so much that the boat ramp is not long enough the drive down the the water. Economy is so bad in Greer that they closed the timber mill. Then, near Greens Peak is the dern wolf recovery area; not safe to have lil' Fifi out on the woods lest he becomes wolf food.

Probably not much hair on his fat belly from dragging it on the ground.

As long as you've waited for that Dec tag, I would use the fall to scout and prep for your Dec and Travis' hunts, or go hunt bear.

Went to the edges and hiked the bottoms of the side canyons. Berries were small due to lack of rain, and still not ripe. Saw some overturned rocks but not in any concentration. Sat some water, but only had moo-cows and a few muley does come in to drink. No bears sighted by me. Doug~RR

Gonna try to fall off the edge of 6B this weekend. RR

HOC, @1000 yards w/200 yard zero: -211" elev, 1906 fps, 1129 ft-lb Energy, 46" wind drift. I have been using PointBlank Ballistcs, which is a free download from http://huntingnut.com/ Have also used JBM (look under calculations) http://www.jbmballistics.com/ Doug~RR

Brian, We should have info posted about the contest next week. Doug~RR

With a 4" vane I prefered the Flex Fletch. Very durable and not prone to streching when shot half-way into or through a target. The negative is that the base needs to be cleaned well with acetone. Now I prefer a blazer-style vane. Check out the Flex Fletch Flash. http://www.flexfletch.com/flash1.htm Another good option with broadheads and a dropaway rest are the FOBs http://www.starrflight.com/ Doug~RR

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Aaron, You have plenty of years to catch up. Don't worry. RR

I did not hunt till after college. I moved onto a ranch in south Texas, and shot a WT doe first in probably the fall of 1981. I was about 25 then. Doug~RR

I saw where McWhorter Rifles makes a 6 lb 15 oz 338 Edge. Wonder if its nickname is "the snotkicker"?

Did many searches for the original story, but it appears lost. Posting again. The buck was used for a guess the score contest, but can't find that either. Quest for a Booner After hunting in Unit 29 several years and having taken bucks of 97, 96, 95, 82 and 68 inches, my good friend and hunting buddy and I decide we would set a goal of getting a Boone and Crockett Coues. I look in the record books, count the number of 110+” bucks taken out of each unit, and decide unit 36 held the greatest possibility, based on the number of record class Coues in relation to the number of tags in the unit. I also noted that to reach 110” most bucks were 4 pointers. So that was our goal- a four point out of unit 36. We applied for and drew December tags in our chosen unit. But December draw odds were more forgiving in 1991 than they are today. Topo maps for the unit are purchased. A letter is written to the unit game manager asking for his opinion which area held the best trophy potential. My friend’s dad was a private pilot, so one day over Thanksgiving we fly down from Scottsdale, fly over the unit, and circle over the canyons which look the best. On another weekend we drive down and look at several of the areas from ground level. Finally, on the 26th of December, after spending Christmas with the families, we drive down to set up camp before the next day’s hunt. In the dark of the morning, we plod across the flat and detour around some mesquite thickets after determining that they were impenetrable. Up a canyon we hike and arrive at the base of the chosen hill at the first hint of light. Huffing upward, we crest over a ridge and glass the newly seen draw. A couple of does. We trudge upward, occasionally stopping to glass, and see that the does have made their way over the top. We follow. Carefully, we crest over to look into the small area below, but are treated with a deerless view. We continue along a ridge, and glass three other hunters on a different knoll half a mile away. We circle to a different point and glass across the main canyon. Nothing but some does in the ocotillo a long distance down the canyon. After lunch, we hike on the backside of a sharp ridge to a point of rocks. There we can glass a large bowl to the east, and slopes to the south and west. We decide to remain here till dark and settle in for the afternoon. About an hour before sunset, my friend says he sees deer in the basin to the east. They have come out of the trees to begin feeding. I ask if there are any bucks, but he cannot tell through his Pentax binoculars. I cannot tell either through my 10x25 Leitz. So I set up the Cabela’s spotting scope and tripod for a better look. I see that the one buck with the small group of does has four points on a side. Yes. A Booner is my thought. The excitement level heightens. Since he spotted the deer, I ask him if he wants to go. To my surprise, he says “you go.” I was not about to argue. As the deer were 600-800 yards away and too far to shoot from where we were, I quickly stuff the spotter and tripod in the pack, shoulder the pack and pick up the rifle. I would need to go back around on the backside of the ridge we are on to remain unseen, go a little to the east and down a finger closer to the buck. My friend would stay and look from our present position. After about 15 minutes, I am in position. Pulling up the binos, I scan the area. I don’t see the buck. Where did he go? I look and look, and emotions start to sink as I think he may have moved off. Finally, the buck stands up. He had bedded in some tall brush and grass during my stalk. The moment has finally come. I lay the pack down and rest the rifle across the daypack. I look through the scope but cannot find him on 10 power. I crank it down to 3.5. Still cannot find the deer. I look through the binos, and he is still standing there. Quickly I look through the scope again. Again I cannot locate the buck at high or low power. Again, I look through the binos. He’s still standing there. I look through the rifle scope again with high and low to no avail. Frustrated and getting frantic, I look through the binos again to see the buck still standing there. For a fourth time I look through the rifle scope. Finally, I have him centered in the scope. He’s quartering away. I slip off the safety, take few breaths, exhale, relax, and squeeze the trigger. I see the buck hunch up, but still stand there, quartering away. A gut shot reaction by the deer, but the hold felt good. I chamber another round into the 7 Mag, and with a second 140 grain Partition, he collapses and tumbles a short ways down the slope. Relieved to have finally made the shot, I gather my stuff, holler to my friend and make my way over to the trophy. I thought he was a four point, but he is not. He has several initially unseen points and kickers to give him a total of 13 points. A cool nontypical. My friend makes his way around, and he asks what took me so long to shoot. I explain the story. After pictures and then field dressing, I tie the head and cape to the pack and we climb down the mountain. I will return tomorrow with a pack frame to pack out the meat while my hunts another mountainside. Footnotes: Still surprised by having my friend let me shoot the deer he spotted, I later asked him why. He was just returning the favor when on a Colorado archery elk hunt I had offered to call in a bull I spotted while he shot. That was another great hunt. Two years later we are hunting Coues again in the same canyon in unit 36. We spot a buck that has very similar antler point characteristics as the one from two years previous. However it is a little smaller and my friend decides to let him grow another year. He has not drawn a December tag there since.

HOC, Oops, read the wrong column when I copied data. Drift is 46" @1000. Fixed the table. Does make the lighter recoiling 6.5WSM look better for coues, huh? I have shot the 130 Accubond,, and accuracy was the same as the Scirocco. So I went with the Scirocco for the higher BC, and that it reportedly opens to a wider diameter and still retains more weight than the AB. I think the thread turned when the RUMS and 30-378s appeared in lieu of the OP's Q regarding 300WM vs WSM. But just some more info to make one reach a decision. RR

I showed some 1000 yard data for the 338 Edge, 300RUM, 7RUM and my 6.5 WSM on another post. http://forums.coueswhitetail.com/forums/in...st&p=157751 Those smaller calibers shoot flatter, but they have more wind drift and less retained velocity and energy way out there. HOC, THe 6.5 WSM is going bear hunting this weekend. Has this thread been hijacked? Doug~RR

308Nut, I did a comparison of the 338 Edge(RUM) to the 300 RUM and 7 RUM, using heavier SMK bullets. Data is for 200 yard zero, 5000' elevation, 70*. At 1000 yards that Edge is a winner for retained vel, Energy and especially wind drift (" with 10mph wind). Might be overkill on a Coues, but impressive for elk. Cartridge, Bullet/MV, Elev @1000, Vel@1000, Energy@1000, WDrift@1000 338 Edge 300 SMK, 2830, -226, 1959, 2557, 38 300 RUM 220 SMK, 2975, -212, 1974, 1904, 41 300 RUM 200 AB, 3100, -207, 1903, 1608, 47 7 RUM 160 AB, 3230, -199, 1888, 1266, 50 7 RUM 175 SMK 3100, -225, 1739, 1176, 58 6.5 WSM 130Scir 3260, -189, 1992, 1145, 46 My coues gun is a 6.5 WSM shooting a 130 Scirocco. LR data shown in the table Doug~RR

That is true, but one should really compare bullets of near equal sectional density (weight in relation to caliber), or near equal BC, to give a better apples2apple comparison. Hence, a 140 in 7mm to 165/168 in 30cal, or 160 in 7mm to 180 in 30cal. Here's an interesting article on 30 cal vs smaller. http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/30-caliber-1.php

Here's a good place to compare ammo ballistics http://www.federalpremium.com/products/com...le_compare.aspx Looks like the RM and 300WM will be close in trajectory with 160 and 180 grain pills, but the 300WM will have more E and recoil.

*The same rifle model chambered in a 300 WSM will weigh about 1/4 pound less than in 300 WM. *Magazine capacity will be the same= 3 *In looking at the Cabelas shooting catalog, Winchester ammo with the same bullet is equal. Federal ammo costs about 3-4 dollars more in WSM than WM, possibly due to the royalty stemming from the Jamison lawsuit. If you are worried about ammo costs, consider a 30-06. *The 300 WM may have a 50 fps advantage over the WSM when handloading. Factory ammo is rated nearly equal. In the field, 50 fps means little. *There is a wide variety of suitable hunting loads available for each, most manufacturers offer the same bullet for both WSM and WM; so no advantage for either. *The Kimber in 300WSM stock feels much better than the 300 WM to me. *Loading 180s in my 2 WSMs has not been a problem to me for powder space/magazine length. *Initial feeding problems of the sharp shouldered WSM have been resolved. Have not heard internet scuttle of new rifle that feed poorly. *The sharper shoulder of the WSM may reduce case stretch, much like AIs do. *Some may bring up the nonexistent problems of the short neck on the WM for seating bullets, or the belt for headspacing. *The longer receiver of the WM may require you to use reversible bases for some more compact scopes. *Both the WM and WSM are not going to fade off the gun map. *Winchester, Ruger and Remington are in the business to sell guns. New rifles and chamberings will always come out to stimulate new sales. Bottom line to me, no real advantage for either. Get the rifle you want in either chambering.

So a 16 year old born in AZ would receive preferential treatment to a 65 YO who moved to AZ in the second grade????? HUH? There is already a loyalty point for applying the last 5+ consecutive years, and the 20% bonus pass that help those long-term applicants who have not drawn. A plan to reward with BPs those who work X number of hours on approved wildlife habitat projects and actually put back into wildlife was scrapped. And now to propose a BP reward based on birthplace which would subdivide AZ residents is warrantless and self-serving, imo! Under this proposal, would/should a person who finally draws lose their "native" points, as the objective to help them out of the 'drawless period' was met?

Outdoorsmans mentions a load/meat carrying system tucked against the frame underneath the pack. Would be nice to see pics of that to see how it works in conjunction with the pack bag. Also, I do not see a lumbar pad on the waist belt. Video clip of the bag http://jayscottoutdoors.blogspot.com/2008/...ck-systems.html