Red Rabbit

I noticed that several of the units are being combined, rather than being seperate. This might be due to feedback about youth wanting or needing to hunt diff units (i.e. being drawn for deer and javelina in different units) and the large number of leftover permits. RR

For anyone wanting a pair of 15X binos, this is a GREAT deal for $550. You will not find another bino to match the image quality for close to this price. RR

Rough Cut, Thanks for posting the hunt recommendations. Hopefully many hunters here will scrutinize and analyse the numbers, and politely make any recommendations to the commissioners. Doug~RR

From this website http://www.sancarlosapache.com/Permits_Information.htm For permits and the latest regulations, facilities, fees, and road conditions, contact the San Carlos Recreation and Wildlife Department website or visit our office near the corner of Moon Base Road and US 70 (between Mileposts 272 and 273), 1.5 miles east of the AZ 170 junction for San Carlos; 928/475-2343 or 888/475-2344; it's open Mon.-Fri. 8 a.m.-4:30 p.m. and Sat. 7 a.m.-3 p.m.; P.O. Box 97, San Carlos, AZ 85550. Other sources for permits include Apache Gold Casino's convenience store (928/475-7800, ext. 3658), Express Stop in Globe (928/425-3911), Circle K Store in Globe (928/425-5952), Minit Market in Pima (928/485-3040), Pinky's Bait & Tackle in Safford (928/428-0056), Bob Keen's Store in Fort Thomas (928/485-2261), and Tempe Marine in Mesa (480/782-6813).

Commission meeting to set the fall hunts is April 18. I would expect printed regs about the middle of May, but available online earlier.

4 seconds apart would lead me to believe it is the same animal.

Would the % of P&Y minimum record book score work? 65" is min for coues typical 145" is min for mule deer So a 95" coues would be 95/65 = 146% That would equate to a 212" mule deer. 65 seems low, so you could base it off of B&C minimums. Just a thought.

I would be sure to get a pair that has the noise suppression circuitry for shooting and especially bird hunting.

You can find coues in the pines, on Mt Elden, near Marshall Lake/Walnut Canyon, but I would concentrate right along the rim and the canyons like Fossil, West Clear, Wet Beaver, Sycamore.

Just print out the page off the website and go hunt antelope. You can believe everything you hear today.

RR, I'm trying to understand/clarify your explination. "modern smokless" powders like Hodgen, IMR, Reloader, etc would not qualify. However black powder and black powder substitutes such as the "Blackhorn 209", Triple 7, etc would be allowed? Thanks, Tim Tim, What you said is the way I interpreted the rule. Doug~RR

Sure enough Stan, I called the gal who redid the draws and I was drawn for early muzzle-loader bull in unit 9. What kind of front-stuffer do you recommend? RR

Under R12-4-101, a muzzleloader is defined as using black powder or synthetic black powder. This would preclude the use of modern smokeless powders. I was looking into this before I applied for antelope last year and was considering a muzzloader tag.

Terry, Your two examples show why it is a good idea to make photocopies of the applications and checks before mailing them in to G&F

I would imagine that it would clamp to the forearm of the TC just fine. Should not get in the way of breaking open the action.

Stan, Here is the leftover list http://www.azgfd.gov/eservices/documents/2...WebsiteList.pdf

Jeremy, How was the fishing?

One nice thing about the Claw is using it with young or novice hunters who may have difficulty finding the game in the scope. You can line it up for them, lock it in place, and the critter will be there in the scope for the other hunter to see. Not to also mention that you can have the rifle lined up while waiting for an animal to get out of its bed, or come out fro behind a bush. Sure do like its steadiness to help eliminate the jitters and wobbles to reduce misses and marginal hits. All we can do to have better hits should be done. Doug~RR

I suspect your shot at an elk will be less than 250 yards. If you don't get a sub MOA factory load, handloading like TAM said would be the way to go for LR accuracy. May have to have your trigger adjusted, action bedded and/or crown redone depending on how your Rem 700 shoots now.

Nice photo Chris. Good luck on your Goulds hunt.

For your cow hunt, I would get a pair of 10x42s and put them on a tripod. Even 10x are better on a tripod than hand-held with elbows on the knees. No spotting scope needed. Doug at CameraLand is selling the Promaster ELX binos, which will be slightly better than Vortex Razors at lower the price. I have a pair of the ZEN ED binos and have compared them side by side with the Nikon Monarch, Vortex Viper and Razor, and Swaro EL. http://www.cameralandny.com/optics/promast...e=promaster1194 Doug was offering a CWT.com member discount in Jan http://forums.coueswhitetail.com/forums/in...mp;#entry136476 Promaster reviews http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=122545 http://forums.coueswhitetail.com/forums/in...mp;#entry136625

Those are some real nice bezes,and alot of low guesses.

Bob, I do not know if you saw or heard about this, but UT changed this year. Being able to put in for more species may be nice, but the efffect is not. http://www.huntingreport.com/Lance-Staplet....cfm?post_id=14 Doug~RR

Most of the ones in the book are on the FS maps, and many newer trick tanks are not listed. Save your $

SDR, One might think that the elk alternative management units could be considered premium. But would early rifle or muzzle-loader hunts in other units like 4B, 16, 21 be "premium"? How about unit 8 with its P&Y NT WR? The P&Y WR typical came from 7W? Would "premium" be based and classified as high-demand like NM? 6A has some high demand/low odds, but not really the best trophy unit. (heck, by looking at the draw odds, most units would be "premium" if based on high demand ) As we toss about ideas and discuss ways to improve our system, we may just be picking through the worms in this bait can, but hopefully some positive ideas can result. Increasing the % pass to 50% would: 1) Give permits to a greater number of hunters who have been waiting the longest to draw 2) Shift the system to more like a preference point system so one has a better idea how long it will take to draw a particular hunt 3) decrease the chance that a person draws back to back, or twice in a few years, for premium hunts since fewer permits would be available after the 50% bonus pass draw. 4) still allow a hope/chance for the hunter with few BP to draw. Another issue that probably needs to be addressed, but does not concern most of us, is the effect of the 20% pass and the 10% NR cap on the draw. For certain premium hunt like Kaibab deer and unit 9/10 elk, a NR has no chance to draw unless he or she has max points. Perhaps the 10% NR cap can be split so 5% is available in the bonus pass draw, and the other 5% in the regular draw. Doug~RR