Red Rabbit

Looks like you got the spiker's older brother. Congrats. I enjoyed reading the story on AZ sportsman. Well done photo. Doug/RR

I was able to hunt Friday, through Sunday morning. Long time friend, Russ, and I drove down to a new area Thursday afternoon, and were greeted by a locked gate and no tresspassing signs. We were able to talk to the rancher, who told us of a round about way into where we wanted to backpack into. Friday morning, we awoke and hiked into a place we had only seen on the topo map. Right off the bat after setting up the tripod and 15's, I spotted four spikes making their way up a ridge to a saddle, when 11 does and fawns came over the saddle. About ten minutes later, a 3 point feeds over the saddle. We glass him over for several minutes and decide he's about 80-85". We look elsewhere and across the canyon I see a wide 100+? buck about 1200 yards away walk aver a saddle, followed by two other bucks, one tall 3-point, and the other a small 2 or 3 by. Some does follow them and then start to feed back over the saddle. So we load up the packs, huff it up 800' close to where the bucks were, only to peek over the rise and see an empty hillside. We continue above the saddle, and see a group of 4 hunters walking around the opposite mountain, then one lets off three shots. On the other side of the saddle are 3 other hunters, who let out a barrage of shots at the deer, unseen to me, that runs across above them. No sound of a bullet smack. So much for locating the tall buck and the 3-point wider than the ears. We head around the peak we are on, in the opposite way, jump two does and get to a point to glass the opposite ridges and slopes. Later that afternoon, Russ spots a bedded 3-point buck, and it's in the perfect position for a stalk and get a 100 yard shot. Russ tries to convince me that the buck is begging to be killed, but we decide it too scores in the low 80's with short beams. I go back to the first saddle hoping the wide buck will have eluded the mornings hunters and will feed back out. My optimism is rewarded by an hour hike out by Petzl light. Saturday morning we go back to the saddle with the wide buck. I stay to glass the saddle and surrounding slopes, while Russ continues to the other side of the peak. I spot 6 does and a forky. Russ spots 27 deer and the same small 3-point. I later walk around to join him, and I spot 3 small bucks and 7 does on a north facing slope. I walk back to the original saddle, and glass a forky and a couple does before darkness falls. Sunday morning I spot the 3 bucks and 13 does by the saddle, but they were spooked by hunters wearing white shirts and talking aloud. All in all, this is more deer than we've spotted on a hunt that memory can recall. Close to 50 total each day. We only wished we could have been at the right spot at the right time to have an opportunity at the wide one. That and a December tag. We saw quite a few hunters hiking around, more than we usually encounter, but if we went any further in, we would have been on the Hohokam rez. Russ and I are helping on a unit 9 elk hunt next weekend, so we both have some tag jerky to dehydrate this week. Doug/RedRabbit

A friend and I were hunting together this weekend. We saw a little over 50 coues on Friday and again about the same number on Saturday morning. Only saw one deer each Sat afternoon. Out of the fifty, there were 6 branch antlered bucks and 6 spikes. This is probably the most deer we've spotted during each day of hunting.

Nice bull Chris. I really like how the brow tines curl upward and have well-polished tips. Looks like you have yourself a spot at the end of the rainbow to hunt. Thanks for sharing all these pics and stories. Doug/RedRabbit

Good looking pup there, Scott. Maybe around Christmas I'll be able to head down south and let my wire hair find some birds with your Britt. Doug/RedRabbit

Most of my shots have been from 200-300yards, some shorter, some longer. I like my 300 WSM for its versatility. I might suggest using a stouter bullet for the higher impact velocities, like a Nosler Partition, Accubond, or Barnes TSX, not for their penetration, but to limit the diameter of expansion. This weekend, I hope to unleash a 150 TSX on a coues buck. I also agree on stalking closer as the terrain permits and still remaining undetected. I haven't figured out how to float mid-canyon, yet. Good luck to y'all, whatever you shoot. Doug/RedRabbit

Brian, You must have really cussed out the weatherman, because the weekend is now predicted to be partly cloudy with a slight chance for showers. I was bumming this morning, but the attitude's improving as the forecast gets better. The pack'll get lighter also with less Gore-Tex. I was ready to take a heavier synthetic-stocked rifle instead of the lighter, walnut-stocked Kimber. Doug/RedRabbit

I will be backpacked into the Babo's, so don't put me in the head count. Have a cold one for me. Doug/RedRabbit

Here's a thread on another forum about taping the muzzle. http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/s...&gonew=1#UNREAD Wish I had done so last fall on my elk hunt. It had rained the day before the season, so fresh tracks were easy to detect. One morning, I had the pack on and rifle slung, reached inside the gun strap to buckle the sternum strap, and watched as the rifle slipped off the shoulder, muzzle first into the mud and then scope onto a rock . Nothing left to do but load em back up, drive back to camp where the cleaning kit/rod was, clean out the mud plugged in the barrel and check the zero. I went back to the same draw that afternoon and saw two sets of tracks/no elk in two miles. Doug/RedRabbit

I too am planning on backpacking to avoid the crowds and maybe find an older deer. I have two backpacks on the living floor right now, so will have to see about whether I can fit the gear into the smaller, more comfortable pack. I got back from the shooting range yesterday, and have a great load for the French Lady launching 150 TSX's at 3250 into tiny groups . The 10 day forecast has a 30-50% rain chance for next weekend Don't forget the electical tape over the muzzle. Doug/RedRabbit

I too have had good results by bore sighting with the bolt removed. I would choose an object close to 100 yards away, like a corner of a door or window, to center in the bore. Be careful that you've also centered the muzzle opening within the bore to reduce parallax. When you get to the range, shoot at 25-50 yards at a large piece of butcher paper with an aiming spot , and adjust to zero, before going to 100 yards. Doug/RedRabbit

Send me a map with his location when you had the perfect miss, that way I won't waste time hunting where he ain't. I'm sure he blew out to the next mountain range. The buck should stay in his home core range. He might wander a little more than normal when the rut starts. One year, I missed a nice buck, and another guy in camp spotted him the next day about 1/2 mile away, but the buck gave him the slip. I wouldn't give up on your buck.

Other things to do that help a little are to fold/push in the eyecups to allow air circulation, wipe your face and eyelids dry before glassing, tilting back or taking the cap off, and breathing through the nose instead of mouth. Like was mentioned, starting with warm binos from the defroster or inside the jacket really helps. Doug/RedRabbit

Way to go Austin! Nice coues buck to start an addiction. So what's your secret to get them to look the other way while you shoot? Doug/Red Rabbit

Those sandstone mesas sure were pretty to hunt around and made for good glassing spots. Hunters in camp that were there two years ago said they saw a lot more deer this year, probably because of the snow up top. I was glad it rained alot before the hunt, because driving on that sand when it is dry may have lead to a few stuck situations. I saw pics yesterday of a nice nontypical muley taken in unit 27 by a hunter from Flag who backpacked in several miles. Doug/Red Rabbit

The plan is to get down "there" Thursday and backpack into "there". The problem is, where is "there". Hunting partner and I could go where we've gone many times before, but wanderlust has captured my heart. So, I'm still peering over topo maps and looking for an X that marks the spot (I've seen plenty X's on the map, but I think they represent mines ( Jerrry Reid sings-"She gets the gold mine... and I get the shaft" ) Anyone have a dart to throw? Doug/RedRabbit

The Savage will generally give better out of the box accuracy than most factory rifles. They're ugly and unless it has the accutrigger, the trigger is awful. Did you find it a lot cheaper$$ than the Vanguard? BUT, what happenned with the 300 Win Mag? It'll handle your next elk and shoots the 150 grainers as flat as a 270 Weatherby. I'm voting for the Vanguard in 300 Winnie with a new recoil pad.

Nice buck, with a dropper too! I can tell the youngest hunter was glad to be there. Good job, along with your two sons, William.

Very nice! He carries his mass well. Congratulations on such a great trophy; dedication and effort have their rewards. Utah sure has some fine animals in many species. Doug/RedRabbit

Since I succumbed to temptation Monday and gave Ruff's,the local gun shop, some profit $$$, I was wondering if anyone else is going to head to the hills with a new rifle or try a new chambering on coues. Earlier this spring, I was told the gun shop had a Kimber 8400 with French walnut and ebony forend, chambered in 300 WSM, on order from the custom shop. They called Monday afternoon and I was drawn in by sins of the woody flesh . I'm a sucker for curvaceous wood. I'll head to the range Saturday and give ya'll a report and let ya know if she's more than a looker. Doug/RedRabbit

Your cousin Kurt has reason to smile. Great mass and nice browtines. All of the big bucks were behind you, cuz ya know the coues aren't down on the flats with the carp . Doug/RedRabbit

I had a general rifle tag in southern Utah. Went up and hunted the weekend of Oct 23rd. Got up there on Friday to scout and had about 2' snow around Duck Lake, and saw few tracks. Don't think we could have gotten into the area I hunted two years ago up by Panguitch Lake. So decided to head lower outside of Mt. Carmel Jct. Opening morning I saw only hunters where we cut some big tracks in the mud on Thursday, so went to a new spot. Saturday evening I saw a parade of quads and trucks riding the roads below (guess the snow pushed the hunters lower too), and two does. Sunday morning I saw a doe and fawn. Sunday night, I went to a different glassing hill and saw about 30 deer. A friend shot about a 155" 4x4 buck that he jumped in the cedars. Got to see his stalk through the 15x binos. Right at dusk, I glassed a 4x4 coming round the mountain at 301 yards. One 180 Accubond through the top of the heart had him down in 15 yards. He's a uniform buck that scores 157" This is only my second muley out of 6 hunts for mule deer in 24 years of hunting. Doug/Red Rabbit

I was told that Weatherby is redesigning the stocks on the Vanguards , going to the Monte Carlo again, and that is why the current models are being discounted (good, cheap, opportunity knocks). You might consider a walmart special in this rifle, or a Winchester Shadow in 300 WSM (also cheap at Wally-World). The WSM will be real similar to the Win Mag in performance/velocity. The selection of factory ammo in 300 WSM keeps getting better, and the 300 win mags selection is fantastic. Can't go wrong with either chambering. I would also consider having a Sims recoil pad put on before deciding to install a muzzle break. The extra muzzle blast and flash will also contribute to flinching like the recoil will.

Casey, I'd use the 270 (Lark would agree). And maybe put a Sims slip-on pad over that steel butt plate, although you won't feel the recoil when shooting that rifle at a coues, just when practicing. I thought the 140 Accubonds shot better than both the TBBC and Accubonds out of the 30-06 You could also remove that hard rubber pad off the Remington and use the slipon. We also have next weekend to shoot/practice. I don't think the Aetec is going south, considering the last group we got. A lot is how the rifle is held and the stock pressured by our body. If it was the scope, it'd be like the 30-06 with the loose screws.

From what I understand, tissue from the brain or spinal cord is used to test for CWD. If you have your meat butchered, it's suggested not to cut through the backbone and hence spinal cord. If you butcher your own, its easy to avoid cutting through the spine/backbone. I have not heard of any cases of CWD in AZ among the wild deer and elk.