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You varmint hunters are gonna love this one! http://www.huntingclub.com/blogs/articletype/articleview/articleid/14679/new-raging-rimfire-17-winchester-super-magnum

Wish mine had wool like those.

Ah, come on, Doug. Are you telling me that you don't create some sort of a memorial for every critter you kill???

I looked at the Savage in Spoomer's article again; it looks nothing like a 110 model. So I'm guessing they might be using an all new rimfire platform since it will have to deal with quite a bit of pressure.

Spoomer's article showed a Savage "test rifle," likely a model 110 knock-off.

More from the OUTDOOR WIRE: Winchester Announces World's Fastest, Most Powerful Modern Rimfire Cartridge EAST ALTON, Ill. (Jan. 3, 2013) - Coyotes, prairie dogs and other varmints, beware. In 2013, Winchester® Ammunition will arm small game hunters with the most revolutionary rimfire cartridge in the company's almost 150-year history - the .17 Winchester Super Magnum. The .17 Win Super Mag offers the downrange performance of a centerfire cartridge at only a fraction of the cost. For the first time in history, hunters can expect pinpoint accuracy and devastating performance from a rimfire cartridge at ranges well past 200 yards. "Our engineers have been developing the top-secret .17 Win Super Mag caliber for more than three years and the rimfire revolution begins now," said Brett Flaugher, Winchester Ammunition vice president of sales, marketing and strategy. "At 3,000 feet per second it's the fastest modern rimfire cartridge on the planet. The downrange energy deposited by the .17 Win Super Mag will be a game-changer for varmint and predator hunters everywhere." The .17 Win Super Mag will initially be offered in three bullet types: a 20-grain plastic tip in the Varmint HV® (High Velocity) line, 25-grain plastic tip in the Varmint HE® (High Energy) line and a 20-grain jacketed hollow point in the legendary Super-X® line. Each .17 Win Super Mag bullet will far surpass the long-range wind drift and bullet-drop limitations of popular rimfire calibers like .22 Win Mag and .17 HMR, while depositing more than 150 percent more energy than both. "Part of the appeal of rimfire ammunition to high-volume shooters is the relatively low cost," added Flaugher. "With the launch of .17 Win Super Mag, now hunters will get the downrange performance of a centerfire cartridge at the more affordable price point of traditional rimfire ammunition. It's the best of both worlds for our customers." .17 Win Super Mag specifications: Symbol Sub Brand Bullet Weight/Type Muzzle Velocity S17W20 Varmint HV 20-gr Plastic Tip 3,000 fps S17W25 Varmint HE 25-gr Plastic Tip 2,600 fps X17W20 Super-X 20-gr JHP 3,000 fps Each of the brand-new .17 Win Super Mag symbols will be offered in a 50-round box and 1,000-round case. The ammunition will be available at Winchester dealers by April 2013. For more information on the .17 Win Super Mag, visit Winchester.com in January 2013. With a company heritage dating back to 1866, Winchester Ammunition was there for the taming of the American West, the Allied Forces' victory in World War II and through the years, millions of fond memories made in the great outdoors and at the range. Known as The American Legend, Winchester is a global leader in sporting, law enforcement, military and personal defense ammunition production. Winchester continues to raise the bar with innovative products like Blind Side® waterfowl and PDX1® Defender personal defense ammunition.

I just had to use the Mobile app to both start a new topic in the Predator Hunting section and to reply here.

Inspector Clouseau is on the job.

First Pass (20% Bonus Point) Twenty percent of authorized tags in each hunt for deer, antelope, elk, turkey and javelina may be issued in this pass. Twenty percent of the total authorized tags for both bighorn sheep and buffalo may be issued. Although twenty percent are available, nonresident caps are still in effect. 1. Each application is assigned the lowest random number from those generated for it. 2. The application file is then sorted by group bonus points in descending sequence within genus and then by random number within the bonus point groupings. As each application is read,the first and then second hunt choices are checked to see if there are any permits available as part of the 20% bonus point allotment. If there are enough permits available for each applicant on the application without exceeding the 20% allotment or the nonresident cap, the permits are issued to that application. If not, the next application is read and the first and second hunt choices are checked until the entire application file is read. Any unissued permits from the "bonus point phase" will be returned to the available permits for each hunt. The Drawing will then continue to the next two passes. Second Pass (1st and 2nd Hunt Choices) 3.For all applications which were unsuccessful in the bonus point phase, new random numbers are generated for each application, with the lowest random number being assigned to the application. 4. The application file is then sorted in random number sequence (with no regard to bonus points) within genus. 5. The first application (with the lowest random number) is read, checking the first and then the second hunt choices for available permits. If there are enough permits available for either of the choices, for each applicant on the application, without exceeding the nonresident cap when applicable, the permits are issued. The next application in random number sequence is then checked for available permits until the entire file is read. Third Pass (3rd, 4th and 5th Hunt Choices) 6. For all applications which were unsuccessful with their first and second choices, new random numbers are generated for each application with the lowest random number being assigned to the application. 7. The application file is again sorted into random number sequence within genus. 8. Each application is then read checking the third, then the fourth and then the fifth hunt choices for available permits for all applicants on each application (without exceeding the nonresident cap). When permits are available for one of the three choices, they are issued to the application. 9. After the entire file has been read in the third pass, the tag issuance portion of the drawing has been completed. Applicants are then awarded an additional genus bonus point for each genus for which they were unsuccessful with a valid application. The genus bonus points for each successful applicant are then zeroed out for the genus for which they were issued a permit. Leftover Permits Any permits not issued in the above three passes are eligible for the first-come/first serve process. Applications are made by mail (or online, if available) and permits are issued to the first individuals who apply for these hunts. A successful applicant retains all previous bonus points. And this... D. The Department shall not make available more than one hunt permit-tag or 10% of the total hunt permit-tags, whichever is greater, for bighorn sheep or buffalo in any draw to nonresidents. The Department shall not make available more than 50% nor more than two bighorn sheep or buffalo hunt permit-tags of the total in any hunt number to nonresidents. E. The Department shall not make available more than 10%, rounded down, of the total hunt permit-tags in any hunt number to nonresidents for antelope, antlered deer, bull elk, javelina, or turkey. If a hunt number for antelope, antlered deer, bull elk, javelina or turkey has ten hunt permit-tags or fewer, no more than one hunt permit-tag will be made available to a nonresident, except that if a hunt number has only one hunt permit tag, that tag shall only be available to a resident. F. Any cap established under this Section applies only to hunt permit-tags issued by random drawing under subsections ©(2)( and ©.

Nice pic, Doug!

That's what it's all about right there! My oldest son Keith also killed his first big-game animal -- a 19B pronghorn -- at 11 yrs. old. He was along on my sheep hunt two weeks ago; he's 50 now.

I went to a mall yesterday and had a conversation with one of Santa's helpers. She told me because of all the pressure to make his deliveries on time, he sometimes is a bit tipsy while driving his sled. I just smiled and replied with, A MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL

Depends on the situation. The actual application isn't treated any different as either a resident or nonresident. It's only after it is assigned a draw number based on the number of average bonus points and considered if drawn where it will matter. For Coues deer or units for other species with few permits, it would likely only be a hindrance for a hunt with few permits -- i.e. Dec. hunts for Coues. In that case, if the 10% cap has already been reached, neither your partner or you will get a permit. BUT...having a NR apply with you in one case could be a plus if the NR has mucho more bonus points than you have. For example, you have no bonus points and he or she has 14. That means the application will get 8 chances (average of 14+2 for app=16 ) to get a low number in the draw. If he or she applied solo, however, he or she would get 15 chances. Of course, if it's just the opposite, the NRs 0 BPs will drastically decrease your chances to 8 rather than 15.

That's what it's all about right there. Very well done.

I even know someone who eschews the tripod when possible and uses a windowpod to glass from right inside the vehicle. For shame.

I was a bit remiss in not mentioning two other people. Mike Daily is supposed to be the guru in the Yuma area when it comes to the Kofa refuge. His son had drawn a tag for 44BS, so Mike had put all his concentration on finding him a noteworthy ram. He did that. In the meantime, he also provided me with lots of info via email and text messages. I have no doubt that Mike would have stepped up if I had gone deeper into my hunt. The last person is Tony Campbell from Kingman. When I posted my request to rent someone's RV both here and on Monster Mulies, Tony sent me a PM on MM. In it, he offered his 25' 2005 toyhauler for free over the duration of the hunt, but I would have had to go pick it up in Kingman, then haul it to the Kofa. With a tow limit of 8800-lb GVW, that would have been a chore behind my Durango. BUT...until TJ returned from his elk hunt and offered his 5th wheel, it was my only option. Plus, even after I told Tony we were all set, he was prepared to haul his trailer down and help on the hunt if I needed some. So although Tony was a complete stranger to me, I have to thank him for his kindness. trophyhnter, Didn't mean to confuse. But yeah, you got the definition spot on. 'Nough said.

elkhutnaz Very, very nice trophy. Congrats on doing it right and getting it done.

Smitty, That is one super ram. Congrats on a job well done.

A superb ram!!! Kudos to all involved.

Ilene, That is a great buck, and don't let anyone tell you different. Kudos to you and Roger for getting it done. PS: many of your feelings and comment were somewhat destined to be part of my sheep hunt tale

Just so everyone knows, I ain't ignoring you!!! I've been on the golf course since we got back in town. Seriously, though, I haven't felt well over the last two days, but I certainly want to say a hearty thanks to all for the congrats. Even if it was more perfunctory than sincere for some, I still appreciate it. And as soon as I feel up to it, I'll put a little tale together. Now for some unfinished business.... First off, TJ you're too modest, but I ain't gonna go all mushy and carry on. Next...some other folks need mentioned When I first posted about getting a tag in 45C on CWT, I received a PM here from Louis Crum (CWT name: lcyardball) who had a tag in 45C last year and killed a nice ram. Since that first PM, he has provided a wealth of information and input via PMs here and regular email. Next is Ernesto C. who contacted me last week to see if I wanted him to help. He spent a day opening weekend scouting in the unit and saw two decent rams. So when we arrived on Weds., he drove north from Yuma and picked us up in his truck. The four of us spent the rest of the day glassing the area in and around where he spotted the two sheep. Unfortunately for me, he had to leave on a deer hunt in Sonora early Fri. Still, he was prepared to rejoin the hunt when he returned the following week. I had also spoke with Corky Richardson before I had left. He and his son Russell were getting ready to leave Fri. afternoon to come join us for the weekend. My wife Ellen managed to get him on his cell phone in time. And then there's our own Amanda. Although it took her a day or two, she had her horse all saddled and was heading down on Fri., as well. TJ and I had been in contact with her throughout our preparations. Shortly after the ram was down, he called her and told her she could put the horse back in the barn. I think she was a bit disappointed because she wanted to be there for the kill. I wish she had been. Lastly, Ellen deserves a big kiss. She spent most of Sun., Mon. and Tues. pre-cooking food for us. We had lasagna, chicken parmesan, pulled pork, pork tenderloin, steaks, smoked brisket, ribs, roast beef, spagetti w/sauage & meatballs, cole slaw, potato and macaroni salad, etc. etc. In fact, since we planned to stay the course we had enough vittles to last us at least two weeks and more in the freezer at home for restocking purposes. So stay tuned and I'll try to get the "story" up before the weekend.

From AGFD: Aug. 21, 2012 The next meeting of the Sportsmen’s Constituent Group (SCG) will be held on Tuesday, Sept. 11, 6-9 p.m., at the Arizona Game and Fish Department headquarters at 5000 W. Carefree Highway in Phoenix. The meeting is open to the public and will also be webcast at www.azgfd.gov/webcast. Those viewing the webcast will not have the ability to interact via phone or e-mail with the SCG during the meeting. The SCG steering committee is working on finalizing the agenda for the Sept. 11 meeting. The agenda will include at a minimum: Overview of SCG’s history and mission Discussion of SCG bylaws, seating of officers and directors Subcommittee reports, work priorities Next meeting dates and locations The SCG steering committee has created a website and e-mail address. The website, www.scginfo.com, is still under construction, so check back periodically for updates. It is anticipated that a link to the agenda for the Sept. 11 meeting will be posted on the SCG website beginning on Aug. 24, 2012. If you are interested in receiving future e-mail communication and updates from the SCG, please send an e-mail to that effect to info@scginfo.com. This e-mail address will become the primary communication vehicle for those wishing to stay informed on SCG activities.

We're leaving early in the a.m. The season is open until Dec. 31. One of my friends, TJ Joiner, is generously towing his 30' 5th wheel down for us to us for the duration if necessary. He's staying to hunt with us a week -- if that what it takes. My son, Keith, will also be along. We'll be setting up at the Stone Cabin where electricty is available, and it's only 10-15 mins. away from places to hunt. So at least we'll be comfy. Stone Cabin (Randy's Hamburgers) is right on the highway at King Valley Road. That's the north boundary of the unit at mile marker 76 or so. Very easy to find since it's the only visible habitation between Quartzite and Yuma. Anyone in the neighborhood is welcome to stop by and say "hi" or whatever. Another friend from Yuma scouted a bit for me on Tues. afternoon and found three rams in the 160-170 class. We'll be meeting up with him down there to get some intel, etc. I'm going like 60 right now to get everything ready and packed. Spent yesterday smoking a lot of pork and beef. Hopefully, I can close the deal early so I can get back on the golf. course.

Yes, I was definitely kidding about the golf. I didn't want to list the real reason I want to get it over with real quick since this is a family site. But now that it's come up, I really want to get back in town so I can visit the local strip joints several nights a week, as I normally do. Beats the heck out of chasing some mangy ram and spending the night in trailer with TJ snoring, no? Thanks to those of you who aren't humorously challenged. Just about all packed and will give it my best shot -- hopefully literally. bonecollector, Indeed. TJ is a class act.