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    $$$ ANOTHER ONE OF A KIND

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    $$$ REDUCED -Vintage Gun Digest Firearms Encylcopedia

    The Gun Digest – 1977 Table of Contents Features Sharpshooters in the Civil War by Dan Flores 6 Milady's Rifle by Dr. Sam Fadala 15 The Ferguson Rifle Mystery by Ed Dieckmann, Jr. 18 Sporting Arms of the World by Bob Steindler and the editors 23 Gun News From Winchester and Remington by Bob Steindler and the editors 27 NRA Meeting 1976 by Bob Steindler and the editors 31 Recessed Bolt Heads by Ellwood Eppa 32 International Gun Show by John T. Amber 52 French Cannon Collectors by Pierre Salf and Raymond Caranta 56 Famars Fusil Four by Roger Barlow 57 Acid Test by John Robinson 59 A Day with Drummong by Bob Bell 62 Hanky Panky in the Boondocks by Jack O'Connor 65 Power-Tool Gunsmithing by Wm. Schumaker 69 Ruger Rarities by Bill Bennington 73 Firearms in Frontier America – The Economic Impact. Part II – 1800 to 1900 by M. L. Brown 77 Ithaca's Mag 10 by Wallace Labisky 89 Pyrodex – Nitro for Black! By Roger Barlow 94 A Conversion Fairlure by John A. Mosher 96 Updating the 444 Marlin by Don Zutz 97 The Stockmaker's Cradle by Robert A. Burmeister 100 Center Shot To Win by Lucian Cary 102 Shotgun Patterns by Nick Sisley 109 U.S. Pocket Automatic Pistols by Donald M. Simmons, Jr. 116 Notes on Airguns by Ladd Fanta 127 Shooting in Scotland by R. J. Robel 133 John Wilkes – Gun and Rifle Maker by Jerry Evans 138 Heart Attack! The hunter's worst enemy by J. H. Mayer, M.D. 141 The Twenty Comes of Age by Francis E. Sell 144 Steyr SSG Sniper Rifle by Bob Hagel 150 Hunt Oklahoma! By Byron Dalrymple 155 Gun Proof in England by Lee Kennett 161 Handloading the 30-30 by Guy Lautard 173 Firearms Industry Super Shoot by Skip Gordon 177 A Pair of Autos by George C. Nonte, Jr. 181 Ol' Yellow Jacket Shoots Again by Hal Hartley 184 Squirrel Rifle – a plea for the 22 rimfire by Don Lewis 188 Modern Chronographs, A Comparative Study by Kenneth L. Walters 194 Elmer Keith – a legend the world over by Francis W. Goble 199 Handgun Report by George C. Nonte, Jr. 201 The Auto Mag Story. Part One by Kent Lomont 210 A Trio of Varminters by Larry S. Sterett 218 Testfire by Larry S. Sterett 220 The New Knifemakers by Sid Latham 223 Review for Reloaders by George C. Nonte, Jr. 231 The Tula Choke – and old fashioned loads by John M. Taylor 237 Scopes and Mounts by Bob Bell 242 Art of the Engraver masters of metalwork 248 Shooter's Showcase new products reviewed 254 Custom Guns and their makers 258 Ballistic Nomograph by Fred Palenschat 264 American Bulleted Cartridges by Kenneth L. Walters 267 Departments Ammunition Tables 271 Handguns – U.S. and Imported 275 Rifles – U.S. and Imported 305 Shotguns – U.S. and Imported 339 Black Powder Guns 367 Air Guns 382 Chokes & Brakes 396 Metallic Sights 397 Scopes & Mounts 401 Periodical Publications 428 Shooting Publications 429 Arms Associations in America and Abroad 430 Directory of the Arms Trade 434
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    $$$ REDUCED -Vintage Gun Digest Firearms Encylcopedia

    The Gun Digest – 1975 Table of Contents The Secret of the Old Master, Lucian Cary 4 Pope Rifle Barrels a facsimile catalog reprint 11 The Wild Sheep of North America, Jack O'Connor 23 Pellet Pistol Phizzles, Ladd Fanta 31 Charter Arms Bulldog – the 44 Special revived, George C. Nonte, Jr. 34 Shotgunning with Browning, Wallace Labisky 39 The Art of Turkey Hunting, James C. Gates 57 The Ruger 220 Swift – an instant success! Jim Horton 63 Japanese Autoloading Pistols, John L. Moss 69 Checkering with Power, Jim Carmichel 78 Wildcats and Wildcatters, Bob Hagel 81 New SIG-Sauer Pistols, J. B. Wood 86 The 1903 Springfield, Al Miller 92 Gun Engravers and Gunsmiths, Display of quality craftmanship 102 Deer Stoppers for the 16 Gauge, Wallace Labisky 114 Chuck Hunter, Don Lewis 123 Ducks Unlimited, Ted McCawley 128 Sporting Arms of the World, Larry S. Sterett and the editors 129 The Remington and Winchester Seminars, John T. Amber 129 Kenya, France and Italy, John T. Amber 154 Armi Famars, John T. Amber 161 Testfire Report, Larry S. Sterett 167 New Guns from the Old Cabinet, Raymond Caranta 171 Single Action Revolvers and the safety revolution, Donald M. Simmons, Jr. 176 Gun Proof in Germany, Lee Kennett 185 Art of the Engraver masters of metalwork 200 Smokeless Loads for Double Rifles, Ray Marriage, Dick Vogt, Bert Popowski 204 Handloading, John T. Amber 212 The Hunter – a man for all seasons, courtesy NSSF 219 High Country Chucking, Dan L. Flores 220 Pachmayr's Signature System, George C. Nonte, Jr. 226 Hunting on Indian Reservations, Bert Popowski 232 Torture Test! Gene West 238 Scopes and Mounts, Bob Bell 241 22 Hornet, Roy F. Dunlap 248 Notes on Knives, a display of knifemakers 253 Short Barrels for Grouse, Nick Sisley 256 The Handgun Scene, George C. Nonte and the editors 259 Shooting at 1000 Yards, Bob Bell 266 Custom Guns and their makers 276 The All-Round Rifle – pursuit of a myth? Cliff Dempster 282 Shooter's Showcase new products, 1974 288 American Bulleted Cartridges, Kenneth L. Waters 291 Why the Buffalo Disappeared, Dick Dietz 296 Early American Cartridges, Charles H. Yust, Jr. 297 Doing Good and Getting Credit For It, J. David Truby 302 Ammunition Tables 304 U.S. Handguns 308 U.S. Rifles 324 U.S. Shotguns 346 Imported Guns 362 Black Powder Guns 392 Pellet Guns 407 Chokes & Brakes 420 Metallic Sights 421 Scopes & Mounts 425 Arms Associations in America and Abroad 432 Periodical Publications 434 Directory of the Arms Trade 435 Index 448
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    The Gun Digest – 1966 Table of Contents Features John Marlin, Bill Rogoski 4 U.S. Rifles & Shotguns, 1965-66, Pete Kuhlhoff 10 Testfire! A Field Survey, Ken Waters 21 Beautiful Brownings, Pete Kuhlhoff 29 U.S. Handguns 1965-66, the technical editors 34 Foreign Firearms, George C. Nonte, Jr. 42 Treasure Hunt Safari, John T. Amber 51 Hi-Standard Autos, Gil Hebard 55 On Target, Warren Sipe 58 Scopes & Mounts 1965-66, Bob Bell 59 2-Bullet NATO Cartridge, George C. Nonte, Jr. 62 Tell Me, Elmer . . ., Don Frost 64 The Elegant World of Elk, Bradford Angier 65 Automatico V.B., S. A. Balistique 69 The Remington Model 10, L. S. Sterett 72 Gunning the Game Preserves, Jack Lawrence 79 Pipe in Your Crows!, Don Shiner 83 Dan Lefever – Inventor, Wallace Labisky 86 The Best Knives Made, Ken Warner 94 Chronographs Today, Edward M. Yard 99 Shoulder Stocks for Pistols, B. W. Brian 103 The Wild Ones! A. B. Kazan 108 Put and Take Choke, Francis E. Sell 112 The Old Winchesters, James E. Serven 115 A Rugged Holster, James Tallon 123 The Luger Myth, R. A. Burmeister 126 Stone Age Guided Missiles, Edw. A. Dieckmann 129 Fusil Electrique, Roger Barlow 133 The Mysterious Morrone, B. R. Hughes 136 Why The Magnum?, Bob Hagel 139 One and Only Pistol, Henry M. Stebbins 143 Want to be a Gunsmith?, B. Fritz Samuels 147 Case Neck Variations 151 Carousel of Cartridges, John Maynard 153 The Little BB Gun, Larry Mueller 157 Power Drilling Pointers, Glen F. Stillwell 160 Are Any Wildcats Good?, Courtney Wills 161 Nat'l Shooting Sports Fdn., Ed Hoffschmidt 165 Low Cost Custom Doubles, Francis E. Sell 166 Shot – A History, James E. Serven 170 British Service Rifles, W. D. Bell 176 Colt Longarms, James M. Triggs 183 Smoothbores for Deer, C. J. Milling, M.D. 186 Firearms in 4-Color, 57 guns on display 193 Great Western Guns, 32 pages from the past 225 The 41 Magnum, Dean Grennell 257 Today's Shotgun Missiles, Larry S. Sterett 263 Ed Shilen – Riflesmith, John T. Amber 269 Ballistics Mumbo Jumbo, Eric Jamieson 272 Gun Boxes, Jan S. Paul 274 Belly Guns, Paul Weston 275 Forensic Ballistic Errors, Shelley Braverman 280 Exploded Drawings, James M. Triggs 284 Custom Guns and their makers 350 A Treasury of the gun engraver's art 354 American Bulleted Cartridges, Kenneth L. Waters 370 Departments U.S. Handguns 288 U.S. Rifles 301 U.S. Shotguns 318 Foreign Arms in America 329 Pellet Guns 343 Chokes & Brakes 348 Reloadinig Tools & Components 358 Ammunition Tables 377 Scopes & Mounts 381 Metallic Sights 388 Arms Library 392 Shooter's Showcase 401 Periodical Publications 404 Arms Associations 405 Glossary for Gunners 406 Directory of the Arms Trade 408 Index 416
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    $$$ REDUCED -Vintage Gun Digest Firearms Encylcopedia

    The Gun Digest – 1965 Table of Contents Features The Right to Bear Arms, B. F. Samuels 4 Duelling Pistols, James E. Servern 8 Ruger 10/22 Carbine, T. R. Rusfel 16 Contact Lenses, John Fix 18 The 41 S & W Magnum, Bob Wallack 19 Powder Scale Weight Test, John T. Amber 22 Metric Rifles & Cartridges, Frank C. Barnes 23 Model 70 Winchesters, Bob Hagel 32 U.S. Rifles & Shotguns, Pete Kuhlhoff 34 U.S. & Foreign Handguns, Mitch Westra 42 Foreign Rifles & Shotguns, John T. Amber 47 M14, Hail and Farewll, John Lachuk 53 Merwin & Hurlbert Guns, Mack Stirman 60 Canadian Vacation Shoot, W. J. Farquharson 65 16 – The All-Round Gauge, B. R. Hughes 70 “To Shoot . . . ?”, Wm. H. Allen, Jr. 72 Old Eyes & Pistol Shooting, Don Martin 73 Guide to American Museums, B. F. Samuels 77 The 257 Roberts, N. E. Nelson, Jr. 82 U.S. Bayonets, 1892-1958, Charles H. Yust, Jr. 84 Hunting A Big Mule, Arthur H. Carhart 87 Baggin' A Dragon, John Eaton 91 Chicopee Falls, Dewitt Sell 92 S&W Cartridge Pistols, James E. Serven 97 Crossbows, Bob M. Hyatt 107 Those Thundering Clerics, Edw. A. Dieckmann 111 Armorer of the Confederacy, F. W. Gleason 116 Flintlock Guns, Louis W. Steinwedel 122 Grizzly Bear, Bradford Angier 129 The Bretton Alloy Shotguns, Roger Barlow 133 18th Century Gun Cache, T. M. Hamilton 138 The Big Magnums, Robert Hutton 140 Colt or Smith & Wesson?, A. B. Kazan 147 Reloading the 44 Magnum, John Lachuk 153 Insights to Shooting Vision, N. H. Howard 160 Muscles For Moose! Clyde Ormound 163 Andrew Burgess, Gun Inventor, E. Burgess and L. T. Wakeling 166 Pellet Gun Makes History, First CO, Autoloader 176 45 Auto Pistol, Robert A. Burmeister 177 Shoot Your Guns, Hal Swiggett 181 Tuning the M70 Winchester, Bob Waller 184 410 Gauge Adaptor, Larry S. Sterett 186 Cold Weather Hunter, Joseph Rychetnik 187 The Public Shooting Ground, Ray Byron 191 Bolt Action 284, Bob Hagel 193 Lever Action Rifles, C. H. Helbig & P. B. Cain 195 Pronghorn Antelope, Bert Popowski 202 Townsend Whelen Award, $500 Story Contest 206 Safari Treasure Hunt, Winners Announced 206 Missile Age Shotgun, Jack Lawrence 207 Plinking Scopes, Bob Bell 210 Testfire! A Field Survey, Kenneth L. Waters 217 Lee Rifle Loader, Ken Warner 224 Exploded Drawings, James Triggs 225 Custom Guns, The Gunsmith's Art 284 Artistry in Metal, a gun engraving sampler 288 American Bulleted Cartridges, Kenneth L. Waters 302 Speer Loading Data, a bonus feature 353 Loading the Plastics, Jim Horton 369 Handloading Fundamentals, Bob Thomas 372 Big 50 Cartridges, Geo. C. Nonte, Jr. 373 Shot Wrappers & Patterns, Wallace Labisky 376 The Powley PMAX, Edw. M. Yard 381 Departments U.S. Handguns 227 U.S. Rifles 238 U.S. Shotguns 250 Foreign Arms in America 261 Pellet Guns 276 Chokes & Brakes 282 Reloading Tools & Bullets 292 Ammunition Tables 311 Scopes & Mounts 318 Metallic Sights 325 Arms Library 329 Shooter's Showcase 338 Periodical Publications 341 Arms Associations 342 Glossary for Gunners 343 Directory of the Arms Trade 345 Index 352
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    Proper skinning of a Javelina.

    Excellent video. 👍 My mentor taught me that method nearly 60 years ago, albeit without the gloves back then. Here's a buddy & I utilizing it in 1960s. We started this way for cleaning the cavity, then flipped them for the actual skinning.
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    Spot and Stalk Mountain Lion Hunting

    I sort of smiled when I read this because of an experience I once had which was just the opposite. Circa mid-1960s, Sam Dudley and I were hunting spring turkey atop Cibecue Ridge on the WM reservation. I killed my tom the first morning, so while Sam continued to hunt for his bird, I went to a place where I had seen fresh lion tracks and started calling with the Circe jackrabbit call I recently sold here. Instead of a lion, though, a nice black bear came in. Fortunatley, I had bought a bear tag. It wound up on my wall.
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    2021 starting off right

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    2021 buck opening morning

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    Another one with the guys!

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    Paul Westphal

    Yup, for both the Suns & the D'backs.
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    Paul Westphal

    Yeah, he's been there only close to 20 years I'd guess. 🤣 BUT..I do recall that Larry Fitzgerald had bought a small share in the Suns a while back, so at least there is one new owner. 😉 I was once a pretty avid fan. I attended the very first game when Andy Williams and Bobbi Gentry were there. Then over the ensuing years a now deceased friend and I usually went to several games a month when they were in town. When I managed a Penny's sporting goods dept. in the early 1970s, I had Dick VanArsdale, Connie Hawkins and Paul Silas come in for meet & greets on different days. Somewhere in my wife's snapshot collection are ones with my three kids with each of the three players. The Hawk was a funny guy, and we talked about one of my college classmates at Dayton, Roger Brown; he played in the ABA with Hawkins after they were alleged to have been connected to point-shaving scandal while in college. It kept Hawkins out of the NBA for a while, and Brown never did play in the NBA, despite being the top star of the Pacers in the ABA for years.
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    Paul Westphal

    I would never have recognized him on the street....
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    Paul Westphal

    I agree. I haven't watched a game since Steve Nash left and haven't kept up with goings on either. Did Sarver sell or are you still referring to him as the "new owner?"
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    Scammer-Perrytx

    If it's on the message board, look at the upper right of their message for the Report post link. If it's a PM trying to sell you something, post a message in the Forum Help section, or send a PM to Stanley.
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    Paul Westphal

    Watched Westy many a night at the Madhouse on McDowell. RIP
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    2021 archery coues deer

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    1 pig down so far 2021

    Here ya go...
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    2021 starting off with a SWHACK!!!

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    How to Post Photos

    Since you resurrected a 10-yr. old thread, I bet there's a motive involved. 🙄 It appears you have innundated the entire web with DL links for your software.
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    Son's first archery pig

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    Game Cameras- G&F Agenda

    Whatever...
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    Pops pig 2021

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    Game Cameras- G&F Agenda

    I broke my promise again. And now I'm done with this thread.
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    Game Cameras- G&F Agenda

    Posted by Trophyseeker in this thread from 2019: https://www.coueswhitetail.com/forums/topic/84897-gf-talking-about-banning-calling-contest/?tab=comments#comment-843955 ************************************************************************** I emailed Tony Mandile, and he sent me the following: ___________________________________________________ These are snippets from my IN THE FIELD column in Rocky Mt. G&F magazine. Feel free to repost with my permission. Circa 1999 NO GO ON PREDATOR RULING The months-long saga over the predator hunt contest issue continued unresolved when the Arizona Game and Fish Commission met in March. After months of meetings and public comment, the five-member commission had three proposed rule changes to consider. The choices were: institute a ban on predator hunting contests; ban predator hunting contests for economic gain; take no action on the issue and close the rule-making process. Instead, with a 3-to-2 vote, the commission rejected all three and opted to reconsider a proposal it already had rejected at its December meeting. The ongoing issue began last fall when two Mesa, Ariz. men organized Predator Hunt Extreme and offered a $10,000 first-place prize to the person who killed the most predators. The body-count contest immediately raised the hackles of both the animal rights crowd and many of the state’s sportsmen’s groups. Of course, the anti-hunters wanted an immediate ban on ALL predator hunting, while the sportsmen preferred a somewhat moderate approach more in the realm of limiting the size of the prizes or other such controls. When the issue came up for discussion for the first time at the fall commission meeting, both sides made their thoughts known. Because there was a vast discrepancy in the proposals, the commission tabled the issue and asked the two factions to see if they could work out a compromise. Working through the Arizona Attorney General's Office, sportsmen's groups and animal welfare organizations mediated a compromise. It reads: "A. A person or group shall not participate in, promote, or solicit participation in any hunting contest for killing predatory animals, furbearing animals, or nongame animals. B. There shall be an exception to section (A) for hunting contests meeting the following criteria; 1. The hunting contest is limited to participation by five or fewer persons; or 2. a. The maximum length for the hunting contest is three days, not including days canceled because of inclement weather; and, b. The maximum aggregate economic benefit awarded to all participants in the hunting contest is not more than $1,000; and c. The hunting contest is limited to not more than 300 participants per hunting contest; and, d. The hunting contest is limited to the killing of predatory and furbearing animals only. C. A person or group holding a hunting contest which is lawful pursuant to section (B) (2) of this rule shall submit a written report to the department by July 1 for the immediate preceding one year period ending May 30. The report shall be in a format provided by the department and shall specify the name of the person or group reporting, the number of participants, the dates of the contest, and the number of each species killed from each game management unit during each hunting contest. The reporting requirement shall terminate three years after the effective date of the adoption of this rule." When the December meeting rolled around, the commission rejected the above. Since that meeting, however, two new commissioners came on board, and in March they joined veteran Commissioner Dennis Manning of Alpine, thereby voting to pursue the mediated rule language again. The result: A new period of public comment had to occur, which basically extended the rule-making process for at least another 90 days. So it’s unlikely the issue will make the commission agenda until this month’s (August) meeting in Pinetop or next month when the commission meets in Flagstaff. And the way this issue has been going, it’s good bet the language could change because not all of the animal rights or the sportsmen’s groups even agree on it. Stayed tuned. Circa 2000 PREDATOR RULING REVISITED After nearly two years of wrangling and rhetoric tossing between hunters and animal-rights organizations, the Arizona Game and Fish Commission finally ended the saga of the predator-hunting contest controversy. In fact, by a three-to-two vote, the commission ended ALL organized predator-hunting contests. As adopted, Commission Rule R12-4-317 reads, "A person or group shall not participate in, promote, or solicit participation in any organized hunting contest for killing predatory animals, fur-bearing animals, or nongame mammals." The issue started way back at the beginning of 1998 with the proposed and advertised the "Predator Hunt Extreme" contest that would award the winner a $10,000 prize. Within days, however, adverse public opinion caused the promoters to cancel the hunt. Following the aborted high-dollar, state-wide predator hunt, a consortium of sportsmen’s conservation organizations and a combination of several animal-welfare groups petitioned the game commission. The groups requested the 5-member board begin the rule-making process to adopt legislation to regulate predator contest hunts. During the lengthy public process on the commission rule, the department received 11,927 letters, with 11,824 of them supporting a total ban on predator hunting contests. While thousands were "form" letters, more than a thousand were not, including ones from school children asking the commission to ban "body count contests." The commission began the formal rule-making process on June 20, 1998 and had both factions meet to work out proposed language as a starting ground for the public process. While public meetings occurred, the game department entered the fray with hopes it might mediate a compromise with the two opposing sides. At its Dec. 11, 1998 meeting the commission turned down the proposed rule and instead directed the department to file notices of supplemental proposed rule making so it could take public comment on two alternative rules. Months later, the two alternative rules also never came to a vote. This time the commission directed the department to include into the mediated rule, as well. that had been mediated by the Attorney General’s Office. The three options became: Proposed Alternative Rule 1 - Prohibit hunting contests for killing predator animals, furbearing animals, or nongame mammals. Proposed Alternative Rule 2 - Would prohibit hunting contests for killing predatory animals, furbearing animals, or nongame mammals for economic benefit or gain. Proposed Alternative Rule 3 - Would prohibit hunting contests for killing nongame animals and allow hunting contests for killing predatory animals and furbearing animals only when participation is limited to five or fewer persons or with all of the following limitations: maximum time allowed is three days; maximum aggregate economic benefit is $1,000; maximum participants is 300; and a report to be submitted to the Game and Fish Department. The winner was Alternative 1, with Joe Carter casting the deciding vote. Commissioners Bill Berlat and Michael Golightly also voted “yea” for the complete ban, while Commissioners Dennis Manning and Hays Gilstrap cast dissenting votes. The new rule went into effect on January, 1, 2000. Circa late 2000 Predator Hunt -- Again Like an epic movie, it has been more than two years in the making, but in this case, it’s still not in your local theater. A proposal from the Arizona Game & Fish Commission to ban certain types of predator hunting contests went before the Governor’s Regulatory Review Council at a meeting in September for a second time. After more than three hours of testimony, the council shot the draft plan full of holes with an outright, unanimous rejection. At the same time, the members even questioned whether the game commission can legally manage Arizona’s wildlife. Arizona Game & Fish Department (AGFD) officials who attended the meeting left shaking their heads and trying to figure out what the council’s action meant. The draft of the proposal would have banned predator hunting contests where participants paid to compete and received prizes based on the number of animals they tallied. It would not have affected predator hunting in general. During the time the department was taking input to hone the plan, a poll of Arizona residents showed more than 70 percent of those responding, including thousands of hunters, were in favor of the ban on these contests. As they did when they rejected the proposal in February, 2000, members of the review board cited vague wording. But this time, they also questioned the lack of a legislative mandate to the game commission to make the law. The opinion on the latter was based on those of the state’s attorneys who claimed the issue is a social one and not a biological one, thus does not come under the game commission’s duties of managing wildlife. Game department officials argued unsuccessfully that Arizona’s Legislature appointed the commission members to manage all wildlife in the state. They pointed to seasons, weapon choices and shooting from vehicles as all basically falling within “social” issues. The objections failed to change the outcome, however. Game commission member Joe Carter testified and voiced strong concern for the future because of the councils comments on the management scheme. “The Arizona Game & Fish Commission has never said these contests have a biological impact. What it said is they have tremendous, tremendous social impact. No one doubts the authority of the commission to manage wildlife in Arizona. Without the ability to manage social impacts of wildlife, this commission’s ability to manage wildlife at all will be impacted.” The debate was often heated to the point where council member Chuck Roach left the room after an angry exchange with a department biologist. Roach didn’t pull any punches in his rebuke and suggestion that it go back to the commissioners. “Find another way of doing it without an outright ban. And get clear and convincing evidence from the Legislature in the form of a legislative initiative, that you have the power to do this.” Council chairman Tim Bancosky adjourned the session, but not before adding his own zinger. “The public needs to know the rulemaking process does not end with a commission or at the Attorney General’s office That’s why we’re here.” Although the dejected game department staff left with lots of questions, AGFD Deputy Director Steve Farrell tried to put a different spin on it. “You have to look at this as a process. This part of it is done.” Stay tuned for the ongoing saga.
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