Outdoor Writer

They're neat birds. I think they are in the falcon family and are Mexico's national bird. My wife and I have time shares in Mazatlan, so we see them all the time. When I fish for bass at El Salto, I watch them wage war on the vultures in midair. They literally go into a dive at them. -TONY

Terry, I'll see what I can do. Unfortunately, this is sort of bad timing because most of the larger pubs I write for are now out to the late fall/early winter issues. For example, I just finshed my stuff for the Dec. issue of Rocky Mt. G&F, and I'm working on the Jan./Feb. stuff for Cabela's Outfitter Journal. So the tags you already have for this fall wouldn't get much play with something in those or any of the other major magazines, that work on the same long lead time. That said, I also do short articles on hunting & shooting opportunities in 10 western states, including AZ, for the NSSF's huntandshoot.org website. This is VERY timely, basically done every two weeks by me and posted within a day or two. In fact, I'll be doing this weeks tomorrow. Is there any way to get a list of the hunts available? And I assume nonresident youngsters are eligible? -TONY

Terry, I never get drawn for anything, so I can't help in that regard. BUT...if there's anything I can do to help out with HOAL, just holler. -TONY

Headache, Carefully heed what Doug and Deserthunter wrote. I just wrapped up an article for the Nov. issue of Rocky Mt. G&F magazine on three of the four bucks that clients of Duwane Adams killed on the 12A early hunt, two were from the 12AE hunt. Here are all four. -TONY Walt Foster -- Arbuckle, CA -- 12AE Steve Honzalek -- Wildwood, MO -- 12AE Steve Ziser -- Phoenix, AZ -- 12AW J. Emmesser -- 12AW

It's been about 10 years since my son and I picked up leftover permits for this unit. We managed to find some good country in the Dragoon Mts. It was Coronado NF land just south of the Cochise Stronghold. We drove south from I-10 on SR 191, then cut west to the forest boundary. BUT..be prepared to camp and traispe around the area with about every other hunter who has a Coues permit in that unit. Yes, we did see some deer, including a few smaller bucks, but nothing worth shooting. And one morning while I was glassing one hillside, I noted what appeared to be the back of a black heifer wandering through the tall grass. BUT...five minutes later it crossed an open patch. It was a VERY nice and large black bear. -TONY

Ron, I just today noticed Rocky Mountain Game & Fish also put the article about your great buck online. See Stalking A Major Arizona Mulie. -TONY

Reality check folks: No matter what you do or how much money you spend on "scent eliminator" products, you will NEVER eliminate enough scent to matter, especially when it comes to the highly developed scent of ungulates. The mere act of breathing puts out enough scent to alert any critter a 1/4-mile away IF you are upwind of it. And you don't need to eat garlic cloves for it to happen. Just think of what a bird dog or a hound can smell. The latter will pick up a scent a day or more after the fact. Now, some of you here have seen the walls in my two trophy rooms. I can't guess how many of those critters I killed after being near campfires or even smoking a cigarette mere minutes before. In fact, I can recall shooting at least three of them when I still had a lit cigarette in my hand just before pulling the trigger. I even had elk and deer come within a few yards of me while I was smoking, but they didn't spook until they got where the breeze carried my scent to them. That would have happened with or without the cigarette. The ONLY way to keep from alerting game with your scent is to be downwind. - PERIOD! And don't argue with me. -TONY

Here's a snippet from the HOW TO HUNT COUES DEER book that Duwane Adams and I published in 2003. Bryan Wakeling replaced Ray Lee -- both in position and in his thoughts on the subject. -TONY ****** Habitat condition, as it relates to nutrition, plays a key role in both the initial pregnancy and the survival of the fawns. While a doe normally drops a single fawn her first year, she's likely to have twins in subsequent years. That might not be the case, though, when the habitat is in bad shape. The same applies to the fawn's survival through its first winter. DROUGHT Unless someone has spent the last few years living in a cave, they know about the decade-long drought that has plagued the Southwest. The lack of rainfall, especially at key times of the year, has wreaked havoc with the deer populations in several states, including Arizona and New Mexico. Most likely, the same situation exists in northern Mexico. The relationship between moisture and deer populations can be somewhat difficult to understand, but what it mostly comes down to is habitat. The simple explanation: when plants get rained on they grow and provide moisture, nutrition and cover for deer. Obviously, lots of rain also provides more standing water for drinking, too. The more complicated explanation involves all the interrelationships within the simple one. AGFD big game supervisor Brian Wakeling explained the 2003 cut as being pretty much the same ol', same ol- a lack of rainfall at the proper time. "We just can't seem to get several years in a row where the yearly rainfall comes during the times we need it. For example, Phoenix averages only seven inches of rain annually. If we get all seven inches in January, it would be great for that month but not for the other 11 months of the year. If one looks at a rain gauge on an annual basis, it doesn't appear that bad. But getting rain all at once and then not getting any for the next six months can be devastating to our deer," he said. "Arizona's deer need a bi-seasonal rain pattern -- the storms we get from the northwest during the winter and the ones from the south in the summer. If neither one of those happen, our deer suffer. Unfortunately, for more than a decade, we've been getting good rains from one or the other but very rarely from both in the same year. "The winter rains are great for the does because they wind up with plenty of milk that's high in protein and fats to feed the newly dropped fawns. But the precipitation from June into late August plays a major role in the survival of our fawns. These rains are the ones that allow the fawns to put on weight and survive the winter. If there's no food, the jump-start those fawns got from the good winter moisture is negated. In addition, poor forage translates to a doe having only one fawn instead of two." Wakeling suggests that the future will get brighter if we get some rain. "In reality, our on-the-ground surveys have shown that the Coues deer populations across the state as a whole have remained fairly stable over the last few years. Some areas have dropped while others have filled in the voids. Since 1980, the population had reached a high of about 93,000 animals, and we estimate the post-hunt whitetail population for 2003 at about 80,000 to 82,000 deer," he said. "One or two years of good rainfall immediately helps the fast- reproducing small-game animals like quail and rabbits, but it takes time for the improved habitat and diet to translate into healthier, more productive large game animals such as deer. So we're hoping we can enjoy several years of year-round moisture in a row. That's the only way our deer herds will rebound."

Glad to share. That's why they put them up there. Here are links to a couple of older articles on the RM G&F site. This one is the article on Sergio Orozco's P&Y world record Coues. World-Record Coues Buck! This one is an article about the mulies CW member John Noble, his brother and his dad killed on the Strip. 3 Bulls Down, 3 Bucks To Go -TONY

Is that you, mom?? -TONY

In essence, a crossbow is a bow with a draw lock. It's just a lot shorter than a normal bow. -TONY

Biologically, it would be a meaningless move. We hunt BUCKS, not does, which are the most important for the recovery of deer numbers. All shutting down the season might do would be to possibly increase the buck to doe ratio and maybe produce some older class bucks. BUT...on the downside, it will leave more deer in an already stressed habitat, thus creating poor conditions for fawn recruitment and survival. And..the increased number of bucks would cause more infighting among them, stressing them even more. The additional stress on the habitat is exactly why G&F has been promoting the doe hunts on the Kaibab's westside winter range for the last couple of years. As for eliminating hunting during the rut, it too wouldn't mean much. It doesn't take many bucks to breed every doe in the neighborhood, and they will do so whether they are shot at or not. I wrote the following article several years ago when Ray Lee was the big-game branch head. It outlines HOW our deer herds will grow. If you know anyone with some spare winter rains, tell them to send 'em to AZ. -TONY Arizona Deer -- Oh, How they thirst Copyright 2000 by Tony Mandile No Reproduction without express permission For more than a decade now, Arizona's deer population has been on the proverbial roller-coaster ride. Sadly, in recent years the downs have been a lot lower than the ups have been high. As a result, the state's overall mule deer population is currently approaching the lowest it has ever been. Although the Coues deer have done somewhat better, their numbers have also dropped. This fact became quite evident last spring when the Arizona Game and Fish Department (AGFD) made its recommendations for the fall 2000 hunts. The total allocation for both species approved by the five-member game commission was 45,850 -- the lowest total since the AGFD began compiling data in 1946. It was 970 fewer than the 1999 total. And if the rest of this year plays out as it has so far, the permit allocation could fall even more when the commission considers next year's hunt proposals in April, 2001. Who can we blame for all this and especially for the loss of deer hunting opportunities? No one that could make a difference; the game department, you or me can't do a thing to change it. The culprit has been Mother Nature, or more specifically her unwillingness to bestow bountiful rains on the Grand Canyon State for more than one year in a row. AGFD big-game supervisor Ray Lee's enthusiasm has followed the same trend as the state's deer population. After many years of watching the herds steadily decline, Lee happily witnessed the effects of El Nino over the winter of 1997-1998. "We thought we might have turned the corner in 1999 when fawn recruitment statewide increased considerably. But it was a short-lived jump, and the reason why I had stated back then that hunters shouldn't be too enthusiastic until we have a couple rainy years strung together." Lee's warning proved prophetic. As it turned out, 1999 was one of the driest years on record in Arizona. The Phoenix metro area went for more than 100 days between September and December without any measurable precipitation. When the rain finally arrived, it wasn't enough to require the use of windshield wipers. Finally in March, 2000 a big storm hammered the state, dumping more than two inches on Phoenix and even more in other areas. But the two-day deluge overwhelmed the watersheds. The ground couldn't absorb the water quickly enough, and most of it ran downstream into the lakes or Mexico's Sea of Cortez. Pointing to the Palmer Drought Severity Index compiled by The National Atmospheric Association, Lee doesn't hold much hope for the very immediate future. "The Palmer Index examines past and current rainfalls, winds, temperatures and other factors. The most recent chart shows the southwestern United States and more specifically, Arizona, as being in the middle of extreme drought conditions. In other words, even if the entire state received two inches of rain tomorrow, it probably wouldn't take us out of that extreme category because of the moisture we haven't received in previous months," he said. The major concern of biologists when it comes to the relationship of rain and deer is timing. Rains that come at the wrong time of the year provide little benefit to big game. In the case of deer, the two key periods to benefit them are late winter and late summer. Lee points to the 1998 deer population jump as a perfect example of what can happen. "We had normal winter rains, good spring rains and adequate summer rains. Statewide, fawn recruitment went to nearly 40 fawns per 100 does in areas of the state where it had dropped to as low of 20 fawns per 100 does. On the Kaibab Plateau, somewhat different climatic conditions caused the corresponding recruitment to rise to nearly 90 fawns per 100 does. It was an exceptional year. Unfortunately, it was only one, and that won't do it." According to Lee, the lack of moisture to sustain ideal deer populations started in 1988 and pretty much reflects the trend that occurred about 40 years ago. "Our deer numbers reached the highest ever in the 1960s, but the population dropped very rapidly from those numbers to all-time lows by the late 1970s. That's why we put deer on the permit system in 1972. And if we look back at the weather conditions from the late 1960s and early 1970s. we would quickly see they mirror the same patterns that are occurring right now. The deer population is also following the pattern." "Then the deer numbers shot up again in the early and mid-1980s because we had an anomaly of sorts with rains that produced three 100-year floods over a five-year period. Even the normally dry Salt River was running at 200,000 feet per second and washing out bridges in downtown Phoenix. "The result on our deer herds was quite predictable. For a few years running, all of the does had twins, their twins had twins, and those twins -- and so on. So we wound up with more deer than we knew what to do with. Over the next several hunting seasons, we had more permits available than we had hunters to apply for them. In 1986, we set the all-time record with 95,821 permits. That is more than double the permit allocation for 2000. "The one thing hunters shouldn't do, however, is think we'll ever get to that point again. The floods were very uncommon occurrences that created the best deer habitat we've ever had. So unless those conditions repeat themselves, which isn't too likely, our traditional optimum deer numbers will be considerably less than what we had in 1986." Fortunately, even though the permit numbers are at an all-time low right now, there are still more deer today in Arizona than there were in the 1970s when the population hit bottom. The reason is a different management concept put into place by the AGFD. When the herds plummeted in the 70s, the hunter success did likewise, averaging 16 to 18 percent statewide -- a result of supply and demand with only so many deer to go around. This prompted many complaints from hunters. Rather than allow that trend to continue, the game department began adjusting the permit allocation whereby the hunter success remained fairly consistent at 21 to 24 percent in most units. So while fewer hunters go afield now, many of those that do get to a tag a buck. The relationships between moisture and deer populations can be somewhat difficult to understand, but what it mostly comes down to is habitat. 'In years of good moisture, deer can normally get all the moisture they need by eating. As the rains decrease, they have to find other sources, which are mostly tanks or other standing water. That walking and use of standing water sources increases the chance for predation and burns up additional energy. "Without water, a doe doesn't put on weight, and the chances for her to drop twins go down considerably. She also has a lower milk production when she does drop a fawn, and the lack of good cover makes the survival of that fawn more iffy because of predation. And we're not talking a lot of weight to make a difference. If a doe can increase her weight by 5 percent, it's likely her fawn will weigh a pound more when born. That is significant for the survival of a fawn that weighs five or six pounds at birth." Another consequence of the recent drought years have been forest fires. Earlier this year, at least three major ones devastated large portions of Arizona's landscape. The highly extreme conditions for more fires prompted the U.S. Forest Service to shut down any access to large portions of several national forests in the state. Lee feels the forest fires come under that ol' good news/bad news syndrome, though. "Even though a lot of Arizona burned up this year, by and large forest fires are good for the habitat. It's a case of looking at fires over both the short term and the long term. At first, the effect is not too good because those areas basically are sterile. All the growth that deer might utilize this fall is gone. But Mother Nature does wonderful things to compensate. "Once we start getting some moisture in those areas, the nutrients begin going back into the soil, and all sorts of fresh browse sprouts. Deer don't eat pine trees, but they relish these tender forbs. So in the long run, the fires can be a blessing for our deer herds. Again, though, the key factor in the equation is rainfall. If we don't get rainfall on those burned out areas this winter, the likelihood of them greening up next spring is fairly remote. "The burned out areas are certainly a concern, but right now even the habitat where fires haven't taken a toll are being stressed. Perennial plants such as cliffrose, which is a key food source for deer, can exist a long time with low moisture from year to year, but eventually that lack of moisture will kill off individual plants. You can only stress plants so many times until they become decadent. Although this hasn't happened to any great level across the state yet, some of our range people do view it as a potential problem. For the most part, habitat is fairly resilient and will eventually recover as it always seems to do. Moisture and time are the only requirements." The condition of the habitat isn't the only thing that bothers Lee, however. "What concerns me more is a lack of habitat for the future. We're losing it fast as more and more people move into Arizona and especially into the places that have been traditionally good deer areas. Just look all around Phoenix, where even the desert areas within a 50-mile radius once harbored decent deer numbers. Now many of them are covered with houses and shopping malls. The same thing is occurring around Prescott, Payson, Tucson, Flagstaff or even in the White Mountains, where more and more developments of ranchettes and such are springing up. Mule deer simply won't strive in subdivisions even if the residents plant acres and acres of succulent landscaping. So even if we get several years in a row of good rainfall at the right times, we might never reach the high deer populations of the past because there will be fewer places for deer to live." While the future appears filled with doom and gloom for Arizona's deer, in reality it could turn around quickly. In fact, even now there are places in the state where the herds are thriving and even growing somewhat, despite the so-so habitat conditions. One such place is the North Kaibab Plateau. Several years ago, a huge fire wiped out a large portion of the winter habitat on the west side. What remained has been in good shape for the most part, so the deer have done well. Still, the game department has continually managed the deer there to keep them in check. Lee feels the deer on the Kaibab are healthy. "The forage is in good shape but limited right now in that it will support only so many deer. We've attempted to keep the numbers down in such a way where the herd will rebound as the burned-out area comes back. That's why we're still issuing doe permits there. If we can hold the population down to the point where it won't destroy the good habitat that now exists, we'll never have to have a drastic cut on the deer numbers there." Another area where the deer have done fairly well is the far western edge of the state from Kingman on down to Yuma where rainfall has been significantly better over the last two years. The result was a slight increase in deer permits for the 2000 hunts. Coues deer have also fared a bit better, according to Lee. "We had been cutting back on mule deer permits for the past 10 years or so but didn't start making noticeable cuts in whitetail permits until the last couple of years. This is mainly due to the way Coues deer live in comparison to mule deer. "The mule deer tend to be in larger groups. So they need more water and forage. Whitetails move in smaller groups and stay at the higher elevations where the moisture has been more prevalent. Plus, whitetails are what I like to term as a 'bushier' animal; they wander over smaller areas and use dense cover a lot more than mule deer do. The result is a lesser need for water. They get much of it from the vegetation they eat as long as the moisture content is sufficient." At one time, Arizona's mule deer numbered somewhere between 250,000 to 300,000. Today, there are about 100,000, while the optimum goal for the available habitat is now about 200,000. Lee feels that goal is easily attainable. "It won't take much. We'll need some back to back years of good rainfall. Two would do it, but three would be even better. It can't be an 'every other one' deal. If we have successive years with good moisture, most of the does will drop twins, and during the next year, the yearling does will go into estrous and get serviced by a buck because they will have gained a lot more weight than they would have during a low-moisture year. In all likelihood that yearling will have a single fawn, but one is better than none. "I certainly can't predict this will happen in the immediate future. Yet if and when it does, we could again be enjoying the glory years of plenty of deer to go around. All we need is for Mother nature to quench the thirst of our deer herds." ------30-----

Not sure if Stonebridge Ranch was involved, but here's a snippet I wrote for the NSSF's http://www.huntandshoot.org/Index.cfm web site. I do these every two weeks for ten western states, including AZ & NM. -TONY Pronghorn Transplant Provides Promise of Future Hunting Opportunities The New Mexico Department of Game and Fish (NMDGF) will trap pronghorn antelope in the Roswell area and move them to several locations in the southeastern part of the state. Pronghorn antelope numbers near Roswell have increased, resulting in growing depredation and nuisance complaints. To address the problem, the NMDGF will use drop-nets to capture antelope on private property and then release them on specific ranches that have public land within their boundaries in southeast New Mexico. The selected ranches contain excellent antelope habitat and should provide additional hunter opportunity in the future. The releases of antelope on the ranches also could result in new herds being established. The NMDGF had successfully conducted similar operations near Roswell to lessen crop damage and to address concerns in and around subdivisions. Those antelope were relocated to Bureau of Land Management lands on Fort Stanton near Capitan to supplement an existing herd. Submitted January 25, 2007, by Tony Mandile

Not sure about 20C, but I have seen quite a few Coues in 20B and several in 20A. Most of them were on the east side of the Bradshaws along the road from Bumblebee to Crown King, and a couple were on the road (Senator Highway??) from CK to Prescott. If I recall, the road from CK to Wagoner is the boundary between 20A and 20B. I wouldn't be surprised if Coues have made their way to 20C. As an aside, in 1962 I killed my first mule deer -- a 3x4 buck -- with a .30/30 Marlin 336 Texan just east of Wagoner. Back then, they even had doe permits in many units. My hunting vehicle then was a 1949 Chevy "woodie" wagon! I paid $400 for it, rebuilt the 6-cyl. motor and sold it a few years later for $800. Wish I owned it now because it was in primo shape. -TONY

Actually, I said just the opposite. I posted the rule where it says the ONLY time one CAN use a crossbow for elk is if they have the special disability permit. Your comment about the permanent nature is a good one, though, and goes along with what I also cited about the 90% arm disability. It will be interesting to hear how this shakes out if he does try to get the special permit. -TONY

I don't think he'll have a problem unless that part of the 90% arm use kicks in. -TONY

Chris, I have those sort of days very often. My wife calls them senior moments. -TONY

Ron, And more clarification, which I just verified. You can list ALL FIVE hunt choices and every choice will be considered if your envelope is picked from the pile. And this for everyone: BE SURE TO USE THE HUNT NUMBERS -- not the UNIT #s -- just as you would for the normal computer drawing. Below is a link to the leftovers with the hunt numbers. -TONY Leftover Permits

Ron, Yes, more than one can apply on the same app just as with the regular draw. BUT...if there are 4 on the app and only 3 permits or such left for your 1st choice, no one gets one. If you have a 2nd choice listed, same deal. Also see my later reply about the hunt choices. -TONY

Chris, See the rules I posted directly from the regulations booklet. -TONY

Agree, Doug. Certainly a lot less worry about getting the app there on the right day. -TONY

Chris, This is EXACTLY how the first-come thing works every year -- i.e. drawing envelopes one at a time from a common pile/bag. Why? Because when the postman brings mail to G&F, it all comes in one huge mailbag; it's not delivered one envelope at a time. Same applies to emptying the drop box in G&F's parking lot. So they would have no idea which envelope was the "first-come" when there might be a few thousand in that bag and drop box for only a 1,000 or so available permits. The only difference this time is the week-long grace period because of the foul-up that occurred. So in effect, because not every hunter who might wish to apply would be notified of the later date, they ARE using the original date in the regs, while still including those who now think the 20th is the start date. -TONY

Okay, here's how it is going to work for the leftover permits because of the screw up You fill out your app and mail it so it gets there ON AUG. 13 or LATER, NOT BEFORE! All of those envelopes that arrive between Aug. 13 and Aug. 20 will be thoroughly mixed in one big bag with those that arrive on the 20th. They will then pull one sealed envelope at a time and fill the leftovers on that type of first-come basis. THERE WILL NOT BE ANY SORT OF COMPUTER DRAWING/LOTTERY, per se, so bonus points have no relevance. -TONY

Hang loose, folks. I just put in a call, skirting the normal channels of information. I'm waiting for the call back with the ACCURATE info on this. -TONY